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teamlombo

04-16-2004, 08:50 PM Post subject: Gotta throw those K's

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Alright, up to this hand I had been playing well, letting go of some good cards at the right time, playing the good cards right, actually catching some cards too, etc.

THEN

I get dealt Kc Kd and flop Jc Jd Th and think, man they keep coming my way.

K K is hard to let go, but all the signs were there that this guy had me but I was blinded...

The table was somewhat tight, folding to low raises and losing many players pre-flop.

I am the idiot behind the XXXX

***** Hand History for Game 530315081 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Apr 16 16:16:31 EDT 2004
Table Oopsie Daisy (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Player 1 ( $24.50)
Seat 2: Player 2 ( $17.25)
Seat 3: Player 3 ( $24.85)
Seat 4: Player 4 ( $19.75)
Seat 5: Player 5 ( $32.85)
Seat 6: Player 6 ( $24)
Seat 7: Player 7 ( $20.05)
Seat 8: Player 8 ( $4.30)
Seat 9: XXXX ( $61.30)
Seat 10: Player 10 ( $24.50)
Player 6 posts small blind (0.25)
Player 7 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to XXXX [ Kc, Kd ]
Player 8 folds.
XXXX raises (1) to 1
Player 10 calls (1)
Player 1 folds.
Player 2 folds.
Player 3 folds.
Player 4 calls (1)
Player 5 folds.
Player 6 calls (0.75)
Player 7 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, Jd, Th ]
Player 6 checks.
XXXX bets (3)
Player 10 folds.
Player 4 folds.
Player 6 raises (8) to 8 << THAT WAS THE FIRST SIGN
XXXX calls (5) << SHOULD HAVE LET THE BIG GUYS GO AND MOVE ON
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5s ]
Player 6 bets (6) << HE KNEW HE HAD ME HERE
XXXX calls (6) << IDIOT
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
Player 6 bets (5)
XXXX calls (5) << IN TOO DEEP TOO EMOTIONAL, GET OUT NOW, NOPE
** Summary **
Main Pot: $40.40 | Rake: $2.10
Board: [ Jc Jd Th 5s 4c ]
Player 1 balance $24.50, didn't bet (folded)
Player 2 balance $17.25, didn't bet (folded)
Player 3 balance $24.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player 4 balance $18.75, lost $1 (folded)
Player 5 balance $32.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player 6 balance $44.40, bet $20, collected $40.40, net +$20.40 [ Jh 9h ] [ three of a kind, jacks -- Jh,Jc,Jd,Th,9h ]
Player 7 balance $19.55, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player 8 balance $4.30, didn't bet (folded)
XXXX balance $41.30, lost $20 [ Kc Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and jacks -- Kc,Kd,Jc,Jd,Th ]
Player 10 balance $23.50, lost $1 (folded)

Anyone think if i would have pre-flop raised higher or put him all in early he would have folded?

What should I learn from this?

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mike4066

04-16-2004, 09:50 PM

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a larger preflop raise would have definatly done better here.

You've got the second best starting hand, what more could you want? RAISE IT!

The general raise I make with that hand is around $3. Of course that depends on how many people are already in, and how tight hte table is. If there are already 4 people in the pot ahead of me i'd raise it to 5, if its a tight table with nobody in yet, then $3

Ragingguitarist18

04-16-2004, 09:53 PM

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well the 50 cent raise is weak, a 50 cent raise isn't going to make anyone fold, if youre going to raise, raise it like you mean it! Raise it to 3 bucks or around there, but you should have folded after the reraise, don't be afraid to be more aggressive next time when you get a great starting hand.

Ragingguitarist18

04-16-2004, 09:53 PM

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dammit, mike beat me to it

fishstick

04-16-2004, 11:42 PM

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ditto mike and raging on the pfr raise.

disclaimer about how tight/loose the players and table and all - but for me: KK or AA is probably getting at least a $4 or $5 pfr raise. i know that's high, but i've gotten screwed on both with a $2 or $3 pfr by limpers.

if everyone folds, it's better than getting it cracked.

now, all of that said - i probably would have fallen for the trap to.

don't beat yourself up - with some of the crazy play you see, it's just hard to know...

Fnord

04-17-2004, 03:08 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Aye, the minimum raise is the absolute worst play from EP with KK. You annouce to the table that you have a hand and other (passive) players are less likely to re-raise you with a weaker hand. Either limp/re-raise or raise it up to 4-6x the BB.

teamlombo

04-17-2004, 09:46 PM

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Thanks for the replies everyone

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