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Old 05-17-2004, 04:38 AM     Post subject: got worked on this hand, coulda won a huge pot, #1 (permalink)  
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was this the right call? i got burned on queens earlier against pocket aces

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Table Oh la la 1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: maxxscam ( $17.5 )
Seat 2: PearlJammed ( $29.8 )
Seat 4: odawg09090 ( $29.76 )
Seat 5: Adak1 ( $13.4 )
Seat 6: scoot557 ( $10.5 )
Seat 7: AcesQueen ( $24.1 )
Seat 8: captndan ( $18 )
Seat 10: dcJohn ( $28.45 )
Seat 9: arch_bishop ( $25 )
PearlJammed posts small blind [$0.25].
odawg09090 posts big blind [$0.5].
arch_bishop posts big blind [$0.5].
dcJohn posts big blind + dead [$0.75].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to maxxscam [ Qc Qh ]
Adak1 calls [$0.5].
scoot557 folds.
AcesQueen folds.
captndan calls [$0.5].
arch_bishop checks.
dcJohn checks.
maxxscam raises [$1.5].
PearlJammed folds.
odawg09090 folds.
>You have options at Cabin Crew Table!.
Adak1 calls [$1].
captndan raises [$5.5].
arch_bishop folds.
dcJohn folds.
>You have options at Cabin Crew Table!.
maxxscam: you got something big dan?
maxxscam folds.
Adak1 calls [$4.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 6h, 3c ]
Adak1 checks.
captndan bets [$0.5].
Adak1 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
Adak1 checks.
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>You have options at Cabin Crew Table!.
captndan bets [$10].
Adak1 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
>You have options at Cabin Crew Table!.
captndan shows [ 8s, 8d ] two pairs, eights and threes.
Adak1 shows [ Td, Ts ] two pairs, tens and threes.
captndan wins $3.10 from side pot #1 with two pairs, eights and threes.
Adak1 wins $28.80 from the main pot with two pairs, tens and threes.
scoot557 has left the table.
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Old 05-17-2004, 01:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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For me, I'm usually no prob calling another $4.50 on the button with QQ, or even raising, but that depends on the player. I've noticed a lot of players making big raises on small/mid-pairs as some sort of semi-bluff. Sometimes if they miss the flop, they'll fire out another big bet to see how you react. If I hit, I call or re-raise. If I miss, but no overcards fell, I've started re-raising to see how serious they are. The button is a huge advantage, you've got to use it.

This is one reason that I've stopped playing multiple tables and started watching all of the hands that are played. If you have been at the table for awhile and paying attention you ought to be able to pick up on how often he raises and with which hands. Another thing you can see is how firm he is on a semi-bluff. Does he call a re-raise or give up easily?
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Old 05-17-2004, 07:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Its hard to say without watching how these guys play for a while. But it would not have been bad to call $5 w/ QQ. I might even go all in or at least re-raise. Test the table and show them that you will not be pushed around. Maybe get some respect later on a bluff. It is harder when you suffer a prior beat but I've had AA v. KK and KK v. AA a lot. The poker gods will even things out in the end.

You had a crap flop which was great for your hand and both players acted weak w/ there $.50 bets. Too bad you folded before the flop. If you were not in the right frame of mind to push a premium hand hard, you should pull your money of the table and come back later when you are ready to push people around. Its a game of agression.
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Old 05-17-2004, 07:34 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Depends on the player. With those stacks I would either push all-in here or fold. The limp-re-raise scares the #$%& out of me though, Jacks would be a no brainer fold and with Kings I'd say a silent prayor to the poker gods before pushing.

However, if the game is 7 handed or less, QQ is an easy all-in.
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Old 05-17-2004, 10:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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This is your typical "Party Poker moron overplaying a pocket pair" scenario.

If he demonstrated to me by his past play that he was a solid player, I probably would have read that bet as QQ, KK, AA or AK, and I probably would have folded. In a non-tournament game, I really am not comfortable going all-in preflop with anything less than KK or AA against a solid player.

But, if I was reading him as someone who has a tendancey to overplay his hands or bluff, I would have gone all-in.

If I didn't know his tendencies, I'm not sure what I would have done. I probably would have gone all-in. My general strategy on Party Poker is to assume everyone is a moron until they demonstrate evidence to the contrary.

It also depends on exactly how much all-in would be. If he or I had a short stack, I would be more inclined to go all-in.
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