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ender555

04-18-2005, 09:26 PM Post subject: good fold??

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***** Hand History for Game 1914572878 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Monday, April 18, 17:21:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 36780 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: CEDahl ( $10.35 )
Seat 2: shahidv ( $39.25 )
Seat 4: joopa ( $24.6 )
Seat 5: tliebsch ( $25.39 )
Seat 8: alexjets11 ( $58.4 )
Seat 10: ender555 ( $25 )
Seat 9: zbailey77 ( $24.65 )
Seat 6: SitInBackRow ( $24.5 )
Seat 3: slousage ( $25 )
shahidv posts small blind [$0.1].
slousage posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ender555 [ As Qd ]
joopa calls [$0.25].
tliebsch folds.
jwacker has joined the table.
SitInBackRow folds.
alexjets11 calls [$0.25].
zbailey77 folds.
>You have options at Table 37189 Table!.
ender555 raises [$1].
CEDahl folds.
shahidv folds.
slousage folds.
joopa raises [$1.5].
alexjets11 folds.
ender555 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Qc, 3s ]
>You have options at Table 36577 Table!.
joopa bets [$3].
ender555 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
joopa bets [$3].
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
ender555 calls [$3].
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
joopa is all-In [$16.85]
>You have options at Table 37014 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36577 Table!.
ender555 folds.
joopa does not show cards.
joopa wins $32.15

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Roger

04-18-2005, 09:54 PM

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You have to raise the flop bet to see where you were at. That's what i think. But I'm not that good so who knows.

Roger

stuck

04-18-2005, 09:56 PM

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raise that flop! (at the very least the turn)

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04-18-2005, 10:35 PM

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Re-raise the flop to $9-10. Use your position to your advantage. If you're not willing to do this with that flop then fold pre-flop to his re-raise.

I'd probably fold if re-raised again on the flop after taking it to $9-10 ... and likely check-fold the rest of the hand if I was flat-called. You're not beating anything that calls the re-raise I suggested.

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ender555

04-18-2005, 11:28 PM

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anything from the more experienced??

fold to a .75 cent pre flop raise seems stupid to me with AQ.

It looked too much like a set play to me, with his turn bet weak with the intention of me trying to take the pot down with a large raise.

Maybe i just trusted my instinct to much.

edit :: // looking at this hand I agree with a re-raise on the flop, then a fold on the turn if he called and made a big bet, or a check fold...

just double his raise or raise to 9? 9 is expensive for information.

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04-19-2005, 02:33 AM

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Got read?

The problem with a flop raise is that you send AK/JJ/TT packing and if you're called it's "now what?" You really want a showdown here but don't want to play for stacks. I often raise the turn to buy a cheap showdown. The river smells like a bluff and I wouldn't fault you for calling it.

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ender555

04-19-2005, 02:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Excellent. however i do want to know have u played much 25NL? it's a lot of peoples strategy to punch all in whenever they have a hand. it's totally the opposite of the right thing to do, but its not uncommon...

Lucid

04-19-2005, 08:22 AM

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I think I might have just folded preflop. If I called I would be hoping for more than just a pair of queens. If I got the queens I would have to reraise on the flop. If he reraises or shows any more aggresion then I would fold.

The problem here is that he called in early position preflop and then reraised you. That smells like a high pocket pair or a tricky player. I wouldn't want to put much money on my hand in this situation. I say fold preflop and give him a dollar and plan on taking his whole stack latter. If he tries it again latter then be more inclined to call.

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04-19-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucid

I think I might have just folded preflop.

*speachless*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

04-19-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ender555

Which is why I asked if you had a read. At the very least running PT + PlayerView will give you a PFR and from there you can put him on a pre-flop range. If he's going to over-play worse hands often enough, then by all means play for stacks here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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04-19-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ender555

Well - the "right thing to do" in poker is whatever gets you the money. A lot of players punch all in like that wanting a call from the inevitable fish they are playing against, or maybe from a more experienced player who thinks it's a bluff and wants to "keep 'em honest." On the surface it seems like a strange play, but sometimes it works. (One of my favorite examples of this is to call a pre-flop raise from a probable overcard hand like AK or AQ, then if you hit a set & are first to act, push all-in immediately. Mr. Highcard wants to think you're bluffing, especially if he hit top pair, so he will call a lot of times, and you maximize your profit.)

However........ in this case he pushed all in on the river, not the flop or turn. I don't know if this was one of those "made hand" maneuvers. It looks more to me like he has something he's not that comfortable with, maybe even just AK, and is bluffing in desperation. Then again, bad players often react like that when a scare card comes down (in this case a club for three to the flush) and they have an overpair or top pair. So if he held AQ, KK, or AA, that would explain it as well. IMO there's a 50% chance he's bluffing, a 45% chance he has a hand that ties or barely beats you, and a 5% chance he hit something really stupid like a runner-runner flush (and is a really bad player on top of it).

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04-19-2005, 03:24 PM

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He's probably just a bad player with no clue how to play kings. This is how a lot of bad players play "good" hands. Bet small, bet small, bet huge, even though it makes almost no sense.

Anyways, raise on the flop. He should fold if he's beaten or raise if he isn't. If he calls then checks the turn, I would bet. If he bets on the turn I would call only if the bet isn't large. Likewise with the river, in that I would call smaller bets, and perhaps make a small value bet if he checks, unless he's called fairly large bets on previous betting rounds and I think he's the type of player capable of slow-playing something that beats my hand all the way to the river. Generally if a situation like this actually has gone all the way to the river, I will just check behind.

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04-19-2005, 03:46 PM

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I'm agreeing with most everyone saying that I may have possibly re-reaised on the flop, this would have possibly slowed down his betting if you re-raised. If I had been put in that position I also would have laid that down. Simply for the fact that this is a lot of money to bet on just a pair of queens. I think he was probably just making a play at the pot but again its only a pair of queens in my eyes, so I would have folded too.

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04-19-2005, 04:16 PM

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I have to agree to raise the turn at least and that you dont want to play for your whole stack unless youre sure you got him beat. Otherwise I assume something like this:
Stupid fish Q4 hit two pair and pushed on the river against you.

Also, remember that certain online poker rooms taint AQ with bad luck so be very careful!

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