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Pelion

03-04-2006, 12:23 PM Post subject: Good or Fancy play syndrome?

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I decided to give 25NL a test run and there are a couple of hands Im not sure of.

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UTG ($16.45)
UTG+1 ($33.55)
MP1 ($8.90)
MP2 ($13.20)
CO ($8.35)
Button ($25.12)
Hero ($26.25)
BB ($9.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, Q

. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $1.35, 1 fold, MP1 folds, CO calls $1.10.

Flop: ($3.20) Q

, 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2.

His most likely holdings are a weaker Q or a low PP. He has called cbets before so I decide to rep the missed AK hoping that he will attack weakness so I can get the rest of his stack (hopefully). Hes a fairly short stack so if it does all go wrong I won't lose too much. On the other hand if it does work it will double the size of the pot

Turn: ($7.20) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.2, Hero raises to $22.9, CO calls $1.80.

River: ($35.10) K

(2 players)

Final Pot: $35.10

Results in white below:
CO has 2s 8h (three of a kind, eights).
Hero has As Qh (two pair, queens and eights).
Outcome: CO wins $35.10.

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Pelion

03-04-2006, 12:28 PM

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Heres another one. I usually raise these but there was no reason to think he had an A or K and I thought hed probably fold if I raised the turn. I figure im either way ahead or way behind.

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Button ($15.95)
SB ($32.80)
BB ($8.65)
UTG ($15.05)
UTG+1 ($16.85)
MP1 ($24.62)
MP2 ($17.65)
Hero ($25.00)
CO ($9.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q

, J

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) T

, 2

, T

(5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($2.25) 3

(2 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

River: ($3.25) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $1.50.

Final Pot: $8.25

Results in white below:
BB has 2h 2d (full house, twos full of tens).
Hero has Qs Js (flush, queen high).
Outcome: BB wins $8.25.

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L4suicide

03-04-2006, 01:25 PM

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Location: England

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First hand..
AA KK QQ, 88
then maybe
AQ, KQ, QJ in clubs

are only hands you need be worried about. AA KK QQ, hed have raised pre flop
88 is most likely hand to beat you if any. KQ, QJ, AQ in clubs has only the outside chance at that stage.
66, or some other pp that could hit on river.. much less likely.

Id have bet more after the flop, if he had you beat hed have gone all in over you at that point..
Big raise on that hand from there isnt something id have done - you get yourself into tricky 'i wonder what he has' situations.

Raising all in works every time, but once.

Bo G

03-04-2006, 03:02 PM

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I like hand 1 move considering the stack sizes. If you bet he will fold if he has no 8 or Q but with a check you might induce a bluff with any two cards. +EV play IMO.

johnny_fish

03-04-2006, 04:58 PM

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First hand is good. Overbet river if he checks behind (so push, he's short).

Second hand, try to stack Tx, so raise turn, push river. Pay off higher flush/get paid off by lower.

sejje

03-05-2006, 04:26 AM

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First hand I like...I play it that way or sometimes bet the same amount on the turn as I did on the flop.

Hand 2 I raise the turn to set up a slightly larger river bet than you got in.

Fnord

03-07-2006, 12:26 AM

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Hand 1: OOP, well defined hand. Make it something silly like $2 if you must raise here pre-flop. On the flop I would just keep betting into him. I think your turn line is a terrific way to stack off against better hands.

Hand 2: If you think his flop bet is legit, dump this on the flop. If he's weak maybe take a shot at him. You're looking at some nasty reverse implied odds here. Stronger players stack you here.

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