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Old 02-06-2006, 05:28 AM     Post subject: good call with underpair? #1 (permalink)  
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I got the feeling from his betting that he was weak here, based on the minreraise on the flop, checked turn, and then random big bet on the river.. so I made the call. I was thinking that the reraise on the flop was a resteal attempt, since it is unlikely that he hit the flop, and that if he had a weak overpair, he'd bet more since it's vulnerable, and if he had a premium overpair, he'd also let me know about it. What do you think?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.90
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CO: $28.65
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BB: $25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 3 3
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: 8 6 8 ($2.1, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.5.

Turn: K ($8.1, 2 players)
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River: 7 ($8.1, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

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Old 02-06-2006, 11:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Depends on your read. I would play AKo from the BB almost just like this. (mighta checkraised harder on the flop though...) You're underpair is good here maybe 30% of the time. I'd fold here more often than not unless my read is solid. what about 99, TT JJ?? I can see people playing this way with a LOT of hands that beat you... FOLD.
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He re-raised you. That means he has some kind of hand - not necessarily the best hand but it'll beat an underpair for sure. I read his check on the turn as a cack-handed attempt to check raise again (I do this mo0re often than I should admit).

Of course, it could be an ace-high flush draw. But it probably isn't.
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what about 99, TT JJ??
Well, I was thinking, if he had 99 TT JJ, wouldn't he raise me more on the flop, instead of minraising? because those pairs are very vulnerable...
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what about 99, TT JJ??
Well, I was thinking, if he had 99 TT JJ, wouldn't he raise me more on the flop, instead of minraising? because those pairs are very vulnerable...
At this limit, there are people that believe that 33 is a hand to show down with even when they miss and try to steal a pot...

I'll just say it again, without a solid read, it is my belief that this is a -EV call on the river. (as well as the flop call, where someone would've min-raised with an 8 many times to build a pot.)
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As long as he isnt a good player this might work. Trouble is he can still be bluffing with a higher pair than 33. If hes going to bluff here he does it with 44+ and a 6 .

A very good player might do this with quads if he thinks you're paying attention.

I fold it because I cant even alot of the bluffs. It could equally be an Oh shit he didnt bet the turn and now im wasting my trips+ bet.
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Old 02-07-2006, 12:42 PM #7 (permalink)  
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A very common trap-ish play in nl is to minbet/minraise the flop, check the turn, then overbet the river. If you didn't fold the flop, you should definitely fold the river.
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