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Old 04-14-2005, 08:56 AM     Post subject: Good call PF? - WHAT's UP WITH THESE SEVENS TODAY?! #1 (permalink)  
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Converter messed this up so i didn't use it with this one..

So, do you call this big PFR with your pocket pairs?
I did because there was so much money already. Turned out g00t! luv.

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$25 NL Hold'em - Thursday, April 14, 04:45:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 37235 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jinglebells3 ( $27 )
Seat 2: benessantny ( $22.75 )
Seat 3: vibegroovr ( $51.41 )
Seat 4: lucabrasi99 ( $17 )
Seat 5: Warcraft_WoW ( $24.5 )
Seat 6: MrStabby111 ( $31.35 )
Seat 7: amob05 ( $34.89 )
Seat 8: Jakech33 ( $17.25 )
Seat 9: plowx ( $26.65 )
Seat 10: g0tch1pz ( $24.65 )
Warcraft_WoW posts small blind [$0.1].
MrStabby111 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to g0tch1pz [ ]
amob05 calls [$0.25].
Jakech33 raises [$2].
plowx calls [$2].
g0tch1pz calls [$2].
jinglebells3 folds.
benessantny folds.
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vibegroovr raises [$7].
lucabrasi99 folds.
Warcraft_WoW folds.
MrStabby111 folds.
amob05 folds.
Jakech33 calls [$5].
plowx calls [$5].
g0tch1pz calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ ]
Warcraft_WoW: noooooooo
Jakech33 bets [$3].
Warcraft_WoW: XXXX i should have called that 7 dollars
plowx folds.
g0tch1pz raises [$6].
vibegroovr raises [$20].
Jakech33 folds.
g0tch1pz is all-In [$11.65]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
vibegroovr shows [ :Qc: :Ac: ] two pairs, nines and sevens.
g0tch1pz shows [ ] four of a kind, sevens.
vibegroovr wins $2.35 from side pot #1 with two pairs, nines and sevens.
g0tch1pz wins $63.9 from the main pot with four of a kind, sevens.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:10 AM #2 (permalink)  
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$25 NL Hold'em - Thursday, April 14, 05:00:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 37235 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jinglebells3 ( $26.15 )
Seat 2: benessantny ( $20.75 )
Seat 3: vibegroovr ( $53.41 )
Seat 5: Warcraft_WoW ( $36.4 )
Seat 6: MrStabby111 ( $31.9 )
Seat 7: amob05 ( $32.64 )
Seat 10: g0tch1pz ( $63.55 )
Seat 8: prushman ( $19.1 )
Seat 4: naknak_ ( $20.5 )
Seat 9: rivertigger ( $24.75 )
prushman posts small blind [$0.1].
rivertigger posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to g0tch1pz [ ]
g0tch1pz calls [$0.25].
jinglebells3 calls [$0.25].
benessantny folds.
naknak_: nice
vibegroovr raises [$1].
naknak_ folds.
Warcraft_WoW folds.
MrStabby111 folds.
amob05 calls [$1].
prushman calls [$0.9].
rivertigger folds.
g0tch1pz calls [$0.75].
jinglebells3 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ :Jc: ]
prushman checks.
g0tch1pz bets [$3].
jinglebells3 folds.
[/b]vibegroovr raises [$8].[/b]
amob05 folds.
prushman calls [$8].
g0tch1pz raises [$52].
vibegroovr is all-In [$44.41]
prushman is all-In [$10.1]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ :Qs: ]
g0tch1pz shows [ , ] three of a kind, sevens.
vibegroovr doesn't show [ :Ac:, :Jd: ] a pair of jacks.
prushman doesn't show [ :Jh:, :Ah: ] a pair of jacks.
g0tch1pz wins $2.59 from side pot #2 with three of a kind, sevens.
g0tch1pz wins $68.57 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, sevens.
g0tch1pz wins $56.6 from the main pot with three of a kind, sevens.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:14 AM #3 (permalink)  
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What are you doing raising ABSOLUTE NUTS? Smooth call/check this....
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 can I get a seat at this table... Who re raises pre flop AQs
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Old 04-14-2005, 06:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't think you're getting the correct implied odds to call that raise on the first hand. The second hand is sweet.

I would also agree there is no reason to be so aggressive with a set and no flush draw on the board. Both worked out, but against better opponents you would get a larger pot by just calling and then pushing on the turn or the river.

Of course, if these guys always play this poorly, you should just keep doing what you are doing.
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Old 04-14-2005, 06:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I flopped four of a kind sevens yesterday and the day before. Both times two eights were on the board and a straight flush draw so I actually didn't have the nuts. Both times I doubled up against 8's full though.
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Old 04-15-2005, 07:31 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 first one, your implied odds were questionable, but with so many callers i think you're fine.

and, i would bet the absolute nuts with players like these. i think people overrate the idea of check/calling to get more money in. betting gets money in, not check/calling. true, with a flop like that, i'm sure that absolutely nobody hit, but i find people are more willing to go all-in on the flop with ace high than on the river. check/calling leads to no money going in on the flop and turn, then you gotta push the river and they fold. only time i'd do that is if the board was draw heavy, like i had jacks and it came JJQ, two suited. then i'd probably give it a try.
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Old 04-15-2005, 06:00 PM     Post subject: Re: Good call PF? - WHAT's UP WITH THESE SEVENS TODAY?! #8 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by ville18
** Dealing Flop ** [ ][/b]
Warcraft_WoW: noooooooo
Jakech33 bets [$3].
Warcraft_WoW: XXXX i should have called that 7 dollars
Wonder what warcraft was repping he had

"damn, should called with my ducks"
saved himself a buyin...

g00t playing with those lucky 7's

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Old 04-16-2005, 04:45 AM #9 (permalink)  
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You obviously call all raises when you're going to flop quads. Duh.

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Old 04-16-2005, 06:36 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I don't think you're getting the correct implied odds to call that raise on the first hand.
$5 into a $23 pot with 4 others in the hand. Easy implied odds. You only need them to each call a $5 bet when you hit, or to have one of them call your stack. Not unlikely with preflop raises this big. I like the call preflop call. The minraise on the flop was probably alright, though I typically would like to let overly aggressive players do all the betting for me on these hands (at least on the flop).

Likewise, I think typically you could have lowered your profits with the way you played the second hand. With these guys it worked out though, so that's nice
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Old 04-19-2005, 03:48 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I don't think you're getting the correct implied odds to call that raise on the first hand.
$5 into a $23 pot with 4 others in the hand. Easy implied odds. You only need them to each call a $5 bet when you hit, or to have one of them call your stack. Not unlikely with preflop raises this big. I like the call preflop call. The minraise on the flop was probably alright, though I typically would like to let overly aggressive players do all the betting for me on these hands (at least on the flop).

Likewise, I think typically you could have lowered your profits with the way you played the second hand. With these guys it worked out though, so that's nice
Seems borderline to me:

Calling $5 into a $23 pot leaves him with $17.65 left. If someone calls off the rest of his stack, he gets paid $40.65 on that $5 or 8.13-to-1. While this is above the odds of hitting his set, I don't think this is quite enough to make it profitable when hitting his set and losing (to an overset, flush, straight, whatever).

In this hand, he actually only made $39.25 because of the rake.

I would like more cushion here, unless I know I'm going to flop quads.
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