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lari18
Old 07-11-2005, 03:35 PM     Post subject: Good or Bad play ? #1 (permalink)  

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I´m quite loose player so dont whine about that pre-flop call.

How would have you gues played this ?

I know i played it little bad because i was 40 - 60 % behind when chips went middle.


** Game ID 417375783 starting - 2005-07-11 18:19:35

** Sacred Trust [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money



- sarrameda sitting in seat 1 with $74.00

- chea sitting in seat 2 with $128.45 [Dealer]

- lari18 sitting in seat 3 with $112.16

- vadde sitting in seat 4 with $66.75

- Mark32e sitting in seat 5 with $51.70

- stefand sitting in seat 6 with $14.05

- jompa_banan sitting in seat 7 with $98.40

- Pavan sitting in seat 8 with $100.00

- RoccoS sitting in seat 9 with $272.15

- OlazabalJuan sitting in seat 10 with $82.15



lari18 posted the small blind - $0.50

vadde posted the big blind - $1.00

sarrameda posted to play - $1.00



** Dealing card to lari18: 9 of Hearts, King of Hearts



Mark32e folded

stefand folded

jompa_banan folded

Pavan folded

RoccoS called - $1.00

OlazabalJuan folded

sarrameda checked

chea called - $1.00

lari18 called - $1.00

vadde bet - $5.00

RoccoS called - $5.00

sarrameda folded

chea called - $5.00

lari18 called - $5.00



** Dealing the flop: Jack of Hearts, 10 of Clubs, 8 of Hearts


lari18 checked

vadde bet - $7.00

RoccoS called - $7.00

chea folded

lari18 raised - $28.00

vadde called - $28.00

RoccoS raised - $112.00

lari18 went all-in - $79.66

vadde folded

RoccoS shows: 10 of Diamonds, 10 of Hearts



** Dealing the turn: King of Diamonds



** Dealing the river: 5 of Hearts

lari18 wins $261.32 from the main pot



End of game 417375783
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Old 07-11-2005, 03:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i fold preflop, but since you took a flop with it and flopped a flush draw and a open ended straight, i think you played the hand well... although i wouldnt have reraised the flop. smooth call and try to hit your hand.
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Old 07-11-2005, 03:53 PM #3 (permalink)  

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Thank you for reply.
I thought they will fold in that flop re-raise. Pot was something like 30$ and that guy bet only 7$ and i decide to do that semi-bluff and take pot.
I wasnt happy to go all-in there...
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Old 07-11-2005, 03:57 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by lari18
Thank you for reply.
I thought they will fold in that flop re-raise. Pot was something like 30$ and that guy bet only 7$ and i decide to do that semi-bluff and take pot.
I wasnt happy to go all-in there...
the only problem with the all-in here is you dont want to be calling all ins on draws, but pushing all in has fold equity with a strong draw with outs... kind of a sticky situation.
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Old 07-11-2005, 03:58 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop. Fold to preflop raise. Can't fault you for getting aggro on that flop, fold to the AI.

Op just calls, then springs to life on your raise. You might give him credit for atleast a set and most likely a straight.

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Old 07-11-2005, 06:34 PM #6 (permalink)  
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K9 from the SB? Fold that crap preflop, especially to the raises.

Calling the AI was borderline... if you were down to just you and him, then I think it could be defended. If he doesn't have the Q9 str8 and isn't on the flush draw (which I can't entirely rule out without reads) then you've got at least 14 outs to beat him, which puts you on the positive side of a coin flip by the river. But with another to call behind you, it gets a little sketchier.
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Old 07-11-2005, 08:49 PM #7 (permalink)  
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K9 from the SB? Fold that crap preflop, especially to the raises.

Calling the AI was borderline... if you were down to just you and him, then I think it could be defended. If he doesn't have the Q9 str8 and isn't on the flush draw (which I can't entirely rule out without reads) then you've got at least 14 outs to beat him, which puts you on the positive side of a coin flip by the river. But with another to call behind you, it gets a little sketchier.
Redraws... Even if he has 14 outs, op can close the door if he has a set. Which is the best case scenario quite frankly.

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Old 07-11-2005, 09:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'm not saying anything about the call preflop cuz u told us not to and u've been ragged enuff.
Why oh why oh why do you want to push people out of that flop tho?? You want people in that hand against you, you don't wanna push em out. Why would u try and make this a heads up situation? The more players in the pot, the moer likely you get paid well if you hit. Just call the flop and go from there.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:26 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Why oh why oh why do you want to push people out of that flop tho??
Possibility of winning it right there.
Cleaning up your outs.
Buying a free card.

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Old 07-11-2005, 10:28 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Hmm - to me this hand is around 15 outs (a heart pairing the board is super scary) no matter what - I don't like the K as an over here as too many hands beat it even if (when in this case) it hits. I would much rather have 15 outs against two players than against 1. Now the TT on the other hand is super vulnerable so I can see why he wants it heads up (in fact I wouldn't have just called that inital bet if I were him).

I don't like trying to take the pot here cuz you have such potential to make this a monster winner.

I don't like betting for the free card here cuz you are in first position, what are you going to do on the turn is a blank - and expect two more checks?? The fact that neither player behind me bet like they should to get draws out on that flop would encourage me even more that even if the turn is a blank they will give me pot odds again. I like the call on that flop.
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:03 AM #11 (permalink)  

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I play too much crap from the SB, K9s would be one I would play to limp, dunno about that raise, but if you're playing LAggy, sure. The flop, nice board for you I think, good potential, but poor position for it. As others have said, I would try to make the hand cheap. You're not getting much of a free card in 1st position, the best you can do in that respects is a blocking bet I suppose, then look to your pot odds if you get raised.

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Old 07-12-2005, 02:56 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Redraws... Even if he has 14 outs, op can close the door if he has a set. Which is the best case scenario quite frankly.
Yes, that's true... it's still 60/40 in the case of a set, which would justify the call. If he's aggro on a flush draw, then it gets a little nastier. AhQh plausible with that action? Possibly.
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