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Cocco_Bill
Old 01-01-2005, 02:35 PM     Post subject: Good or bad fold? #1 (permalink)  
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***** Hand History for Game 1375191038 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Sat Jan 01 10:20:28 EST 2005
Table Burn & Turn (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: leighssy ( $82.9)
Seat 2: Patrik_p82 ( $49.35)
Seat 3: le_peloton ( $52.65)
Seat 4: Boonaru ( $52.2)
Seat 5: MMcDermott89 ( $50.3)
Seat 6: FPPoker ( $79.95)
Seat 7: tsm2281 ( $160.55)
Seat 8: themaddog13 ( $20.85)
Seat 9: Capone5 ( $25.6)
Seat 10: shogun4877 ( $72.6)
leighssy posts small blind (0.5)
Patrik_p82 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Boonaru [ Jc, Jd ]
le_peloton folds.
Boonaru raises (3) to 3
MMcDermott89 calls (3)
FPPoker folds.
tsm2281 folds.
themaddog13 calls (3)
Capone5 folds.
shogun4877 calls (3)
leighssy folds.
Patrik_p82 calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 2h, 2c ]
Patrik_p82 checks.
Boonaru bets (8)
MMcDermott89 calls (8)
themaddog13 calls (8)
shogun4877 folds.
Patrik_p82 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3d ]
Boonaru checks.
MMcDermott89 bets (15)
themaddog13 calls (9.85)
themaddog13 is all-In.
Boonaru folds.
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Old 01-01-2005, 02:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Themaddog is probably on a high cards flush draw. Dermott is a little bit trickier to figure out. I think the decision is close. You could very well have the best hand, though it is exposed a bit to the flush draw and any over cards floating around. With no reads, folding is a good choice since you will get information which will easily compensate the 10 bucks you lost here.

I doubt McDermott has TT, he would want to check behind you on the turn and the flush drawer would check as well. Then on a low, heartless river you would bet out strong and he would get cash and if a river heart falls, the drawer pays him off. No sense jamming the pot with a made hand while everyone else is still trying to make a great second best hand.

A deuce would be a very unlikely holding, though a little bit more appropriate to the action. I'm still rulling this out.

Dermott's 50 stack leaves it in the air. You never like commiting a lot of your chips in such a boarderline spot.

If I were in your spot on the table, I'd call the turn, bet a tenless river. If a 9 or an 8 fell, I'd slow down a bit becuase McDermott may have been playing 99 or 88 and not been afraid of the T. Though I do see the merit in folding.

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Old 01-01-2005, 07:47 PM #3 (permalink)  
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this hand was a showdown though, didnt you see what the other players had? At least the one witht he best hand

easy read here, mcDermont probably has AhQh (high flush draw)
and the other guy has QsTs, TP, i would have called with your jacks

sheesh that was one easy call man


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Old 01-01-2005, 08:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Thx, for the feedback. Insightful as always. I'll come back to this later.

** Dealing River ** : [ 5d ]
Creating Main Pot with $56.25 with themaddog13
** Summary **
Main Pot: $56.25 | Side Pot 1: $5.15 | Rake: $2.95
Board: [ Th 2h 2c 3d 5d ]
leighssy balance $82.4, lost $0.5 (folded)
Patrik_p82 balance $46.35, lost $3 (folded)
le_peloton balance $52.65, didn't bet (folded)
Boonaru balance $41.2, lost $11 (folded)
MMcDermott89 balance $29.45, bet $26, collected $5.15, lost -$20.85 [ Ah Qh ] [ a pair of twos -- Ah,Qh,Th,2h,2c ]
FPPoker balance $79.95, didn't bet (folded)
tsm2281 balance $160.55, didn't bet (folded)
themaddog13 balance $56.25, bet $20.85, collected $56.25, net +$35.4 [ Ts Qs ] [ two pairs, tens and twos -- Qs,Ts,Th,2h,2c ]
Capone5 balance $25.6, didn't bet (folded)
shogun4877 balance $69.6, lost $3 (folded)
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Old 01-01-2005, 08:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Wow, I had it backwards. Woops.

Shows you that my reads can be all right and all wrong at the same time.

Kinda sexy.

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Old 01-01-2005, 08:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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gorillas cant be sexy, they are just horrible and big and hairy ughhhh, cant wait for the pats to win so u can change that freaking avatar :P


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Old 01-01-2005, 08:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I was a bit worried that Dermott was just calling me all the way to the river and then put me all in holding a higher pocket pair. As it turns out he was drawing to 15 outs, but his big bet on the turn worried me especially as he was unlikely bluffing as the other player only had 8$ left of his stack and would be forced to call.
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