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TalentedTom

07-05-2005, 05:56 PM Post subject: Good AA Laydown?

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PokerStars Game #2037604431: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/07/05 - 13:41:24 (ET)
Table 'Horus' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Vlaams ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Unrelenting ($21.65 in chips)
Seat 3: pyyz ($9 in chips)
Seat 4: StaleOne ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Mr_Allan ($17.55 in chips)
Seat 7: EL84 ($19.95 in chips)
Seat 8: halet ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Mr.Bombastic ($25.60 in chips)
Unrelenting: posts small blind $0.10
pyyz: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Unrelenting [Ac As]
StaleOne: folds
Mr_Allan: calls $0.25
EL84: calls $0.25
halet: folds
Mr.Bombastic: folds
Vlaams: calls $0.25
I'mYourHero joins the table at seat #5
Unrelenting: raises $1 to $1.25
pyyz: folds
Mr_Allan: folds
EL84: calls $1
Vlaams: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 2s 5d]
Unrelenting: bets $1.75
EL84: calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [7d 2s 5d] [Tc]
StaleOne leaves the table
Unrelenting: bets $2
EL84: raises $2 to $4
Unrelenting: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [7d 2s 5d Tc] [5h]
Unrelenting: checks
ADComJosh joins the table at seat #4
EL84: bets $5
Unrelenting said, "gosh"
Unrelenting said, "guess my AA is beaten huh"
I'mYourHero is connected
Unrelenting said, "hm"
EL84 said, "...."
Unrelenting said, "hm"
EL84 said, "......................."
Unrelenting: folds
Unrelenting said, "nh"
I'mYourHero is connected
EL84 collected $14.05 from pot
EL84: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.75 | Rake $0.70
Board [7d 2s 5d Tc 5h]
Seat 1: Vlaams (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Unrelenting (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: pyyz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: StaleOne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Mr_Allan folded before Flop
Seat 7: EL84 collected ($14.05)
Seat 8: halet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mr.Bombastic folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I checked hand history and this guy has only one once. Flat called from middle position then called a reraise, must have been 22 or 77 yes?

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07-05-2005, 06:12 PM

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Bet the flop harder and bet the turn harder to protect your hand.

The river bet is only 1/3 pot, I think you should make the crying call here, I would say your hand is good here a fair percentage of the time to be able to call that river.

TalentedTom

07-05-2005, 06:27 PM

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What would have been a better flop raise ? Pot sized or even higher? The thing is, i have notes on preety much everyone in the table. THis particular opponent was a complete rock just sits there so I figure must have been beaten, but he refused to show. My table image is tight/aggresive as well. not rock however i will play suited connectors and few position plays.

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07-05-2005, 06:57 PM

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Another hand...

PokerStars Game #2037919086: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/07/05 - 14:43:52 (ET)
Table 'Polites' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: krazymofo ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 2: wolffee ($35.80 in chips)
Seat 3: VirusMaximus ($22.35 in chips)
Seat 4: 90 Corvette ($28.70 in chips)
Seat 5: DaveX ($15 in chips)
Seat 6: Unrelenting ($38.55 in chips)
Seat 7: SingedKitty ($8.85 in chips)
Seat 8: BJW999 ($24 in chips)
Seat 9: Deigoman2 ($9.10 in chips)
wolffee: posts small blind $0.10
VirusMaximus: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Unrelenting [Kc Ad]
90 Corvette: calls $0.25
DaveX: folds
Unrelenting: raises $0.75 to $1
SingedKitty: calls $1
BJW999: folds
Deigoman2: folds
krazymofo: folds
wolffee: calls $0.90
VirusMaximus: folds
90 Corvette: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Ks Ah Kd]
wolffee: checks
90 Corvette: checks
Unrelenting: bets $1.25
SingedKitty: calls $1.25
wolffee: calls $1.25
90 Corvette: folds
*** TURN *** [Ks Ah Kd] [8c]
wolffee: checks
Unrelenting: bets $2.50
SingedKitty: folds
wolffee: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Ks Ah Kd 8c] [7h]
wolffee: checks
Unrelenting: bets $3.50
wolffee: calls $3.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Unrelenting: shows [Kc Ad] (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
wolffee: mucks hand
Unrelenting collected $19.05 from pot
wolffee said, "nh"
SingedKitty said, "nice"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20 | Rake $0.95
Board [Ks Ah Kd 8c 7h]
Seat 1: krazymofo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: wolffee (small blind) mucked [7c Ac]
Seat 3: VirusMaximus (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: 90 Corvette folded on the Flop
Seat 5: DaveX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Unrelenting showed [Kc Ad] and won ($19.05) with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Seat 7: SingedKitty folded on the Turn
Seat 8: BJW999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Deigoman2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I preety much flopped the nuts here, but i didn't want my opponent to fold, i figured if i bet to high i might represent the unbeatable AK ( relative to the flop ) But my opponent quick called my river raise leading me to beleive he woulda called more. With an overpair i usually bet 2/3 pot initially, but I seem to have a very difficult time making proper plays UTG as seen in the two hands shown. Can anyone help me address my raising issue UTG?

Tom.S

EricE

07-05-2005, 07:13 PM

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Second hand. I think you are being WAY to cautious here. I know you want to be paid but betting small is not the way to do it. My theory is to trust people to be stupider than that. They haven't disapointed me so far. hehe.

Those bets are only a few cents more than I would have bet in that situation at my games of $.01/$.02!

I probably would have bet about double that on the flop. On the turn, after he has shown he is willing to call bets with that board, see how bad he wants to see the river. My bet would have been about 100xbb.

Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL

storm75m

07-05-2005, 07:24 PM

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Hand 1: If you had a read that he's a rock, then it was probably a good lay down. I tend to bet more on the flop, (overbet the pot) then gradually slow down, and check the river as you did. I may have called that last bet since it wasn't too large in relation to the money you already invested in the pot.

Hand 2: I like the flop bet to entice callers, but by the time you get to the river, you need to make a large bet somewhere... once you see an opponent calling you down, go ahead and drop the hammer.

Lack of Discipline and Over-Confidence... The root of all poker evil.

dodgerfan29

07-05-2005, 08:40 PM

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in hand 1..for 25NL on party/party skins i'll always raise to 1.50 if i have a hand, then if i get two callers and i'm first to act and i don't hit i will assume someone did and check it. if i'm last to act and i don't hit and its checked to me i'll throw out a bet. if i get one caller i'll always throw out the continuation bet. when getting one caller the pot is about 3 bucks so i'll throw a 3 dollar bet out there on the flop and then a 6-9 dollar bet on the turn if i have something depending on what i think my opponent will call.

for hand 2, you should be still betting around 2-3 on the flop, and if you still get both callers throw out a 5-7 dollar bet n get that guy to the river where you can bet another 5-10 depending on what you think he'll call. anyways, thats usually my basic rule of thumb for 25NL, everyone has different theories but this seems to work well for me.

TalentedTom

07-05-2005, 10:51 PM

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again i find myself in a similar situation
PokerStars Game #2039398099: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/07/05 - 18:47:17 (ET)
Table 'Antigone' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: C-O-A ($27.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Unrelenting ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 3: RParker ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 4: krazymofo ($50.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Falconius ($22.45 in chips)
Seat 6: AEIGHT ($44.55 in chips)
Seat 7: Irinim ($40.50 in chips)
Seat 8: coy2 ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Bcareless ($16.05 in chips)
RParker: posts small blind $0.10
krazymofo: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Unrelenting [6h 6c]
Falconius: folds
AEIGHT: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Irinim: folds
coy2: folds
Bcareless: calls $0.50
C-O-A: folds
Unrelenting: calls $0.50
RParker: folds
krazymofo: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 5d Qh]
krazymofo leaves the table
C-O-A said, "but, 4 of a kind is a nice hand"
AEIGHT: bets $2
Bcareless: folds
Unrelenting said, "4 of a kind dosnt loose enough"
Unrelenting: raises $2 to $4
AEIGHT: calls $2
*** TURN *** [6d 5d Qh] [2c]
Bcareless leaves the table
AEIGHT: checks
Unrelenting: bets $4
AEIGHT: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [6d 5d Qh 2c] [5h]
AEIGHT: checks
Unrelenting: bets $6
AEIGHT: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Unrelenting: shows [6h 6c] (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
AEIGHT: mucks hand
Unrelenting collected $28.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $29.85 | Rake $1.45
Board [6d 5d Qh 2c 5h]
Seat 1: C-O-A folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Unrelenting (button) showed [6h 6c] and won ($28.40) with a full house, Sixes full of Fives
Seat 3: RParker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: krazymofo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Falconius folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AEIGHT mucked [Ac Ad]
Seat 7: Irinim folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: coy2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bcareless folded on the Flop

I seem to have trouble raising, i know overbetting is sometimes good, but I want me opponents to call me rather than fold.

Tom.S

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07-05-2005, 11:40 PM

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Can you make individual threads for hand histories?

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