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Old 04-20-2008, 04:42 AM     Post subject: God I hate KK #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is on the looser side and felts a bit lighter than most, but is still pretty solid.

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SB ($198)
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UTG ($39.75)
UTG+1 ($659.05)
Hero ($311.95)
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $8, Hero raises to $28, 5 folds, UTG+1 raises to $80, Hero calls $52.

Flop: ($163) 7, Q, Q (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $120, Hero has 232 left
 
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Old 04-20-2008, 04:57 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i used to stack off here every single time but i found that opp had AA the majority of the time. This hand is similar to my KK thread( opp 4 bet from UTG 1). Given your read and deep stack size, i'd fold preflop and look for another favorable spot. Better safe than sorry IMO.
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:32 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i used to stack off here every single time but i found that opp had AA the majority of the time. This hand is similar to my KK thread( opp 4 bet from UTG 1). Given your read and deep stack size, i'd fold preflop and look for another favorable spot. Better safe than sorry IMO.
I don't agree here. Villain could easily 4bet this with AK.
Calling the 4bet is only to commit on any non A flop.
However, this flop is not good and with the her reads I don't see villain c-bet this without QQ+
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Old 04-20-2008, 03:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 i dont really like preflop because you have no idea what he has.

Muck or 5bet pre?
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i dont really like preflop because you have no idea what he has.

Muck or 5bet pre?
That's become pretty standard pre for many with kings cause it potentially extracts more value from JJ/QQ on low boards, and gives you some chance to get away from A high boards & you get stacked by aces anyway.

Let's say villain does this with JJ+/AK:

Board: Qc Qs 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.640% 57.47% 02.17% 75102 2835.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 40.360% 38.19% 02.17% 49908 2835.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

The only question I got is: would he actually play JJ/AK like this?
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i dont really like preflop because you have no idea what he has.

Muck or 5bet pre?
That's become pretty standard pre for many with kings cause it potentially extracts more value from JJ/QQ on low boards, and gives you some chance to get away from A high boards & you get stacked by aces anyway.

Let's say villain does this with JJ+/AK:

Board: Qc Qs 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.640% 57.47% 02.17% 75102 2835.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 40.360% 38.19% 02.17% 49908 2835.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

The only question I got is: would he actually play JJ/AK like this?
i think we can both agree the vast majority of players dont/cant/wont which leaves the few that can. Is your opp like this?
After that its a simple case of losing money but not a stack with KK pre IMO.
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Old 04-21-2008, 02:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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would a solid player really 4bet OOP with JJ or AK?
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Old 04-21-2008, 03:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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would a solid player really 4bet OOP with JJ or AK?
AK and depending on the 3bettor's stats, yes
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Old 04-21-2008, 06:10 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I would push, if he has aces we can't help that; this is a good board for lower pockets to push and feel like they are in the lead. Is this capped at $200 or full stack?
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