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cardsman1992
Old 08-15-2007, 03:32 AM     Post subject: Give this guy a range.... #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 25/9/2 over a few hundred hands. He is capable of a float, and capable of betting when checked to. If you find a fold here, please put him on a range. I put him on 88+, 55, 22, 67, and you could probably throw some floated Axs that picked up the FD in there that I didn't stove......

I could have bet the turn, but I got exactly the result I wanted by checking the turn and making him think I whiffed.

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cardsman ($130.50)
UTG+1 ($116.65)
MP1 ($124.15)
MP2 ($18.50)
MP3 ($137.85)
CO ($190.70)
Button ($105.75)
SB ($65)
BB ($99)

Preflop: cardsman is UTG with K, K.
cardsman raises to $4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4, 2 folds, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($20.50) 5, 8, 2 (5 players)
BB checks, cardsman bets $18, MP1 folds, CO calls $18, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($56.50) 2 (2 players)
cardsman checks, CO bets $33, cardsman......
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You make it that tight? Given stats/reads/the fact that we have played together a few times and he is a multitabling regular?

My thoughts...

PF stats, he plays more hands than I do and raises a few less (I run 22/13/2.5). I guarantee you that I would float that flop with any overpair/set/draw if I knew my opp would cbet a good chunk of his PFR range. I guarantee you that Axs, 67, and any PP except QQ-AA I am calling PF (reraising QQ-AA). And I would certainly bet the turn if checked to a lot of the time even with 67, especially against a habitual flop bettor. That's why I make his range broad.

What are the arguments for making the range that tight?
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Never check this turn unless you're very sure you're ahead, and equally as sure the opponent will bet if checked to.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:38 PM #5 (permalink)  
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At first I put him on the same range you do in your OP. BUT, if he's thinking past 1st level, he's got to put you on a high pp. You raised UTG and c-bet into 4 players... doubtful you're c-betting this flop with whiffed overs, so QQ+ seems obvious. JJ-99 might call the c-bet, but would probably check behind the turn, so I think his range is weighted towards 88/55.

Like Rondavu, I think you should bet the turn. As played, I probably call and c/f river, as weak as that is.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Against most players I do bet this turn and fold to a push. I had intentionally planned to CRAI, thinking that I was almost certain to be ahead, and positive he would read my check as weakness.

After looking at it last night and today, I think bet/fold would be better even against this guy (at least with this many people in the hand). I think the hand is different if we are HU, and is different if positions were reversed (I give him more credit for a set in that case).
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Yeah, HU with some history, I like this play more. Not necessarily c/r the turn AI though, probably call and make a 1/2 pot river value bet.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:58 PM #8 (permalink)  
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FWIW--I was 60/40 against the range I give, which is why I brought this hand up for discussion.....
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