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Outlaw
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07-09-2010, 12:33 AM
Post subject: Games suck lately
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Full House
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Is it my imagination or are the games so friggin nitty at 50NL? Is it that way as well 100-200NL? I can't get anyone to put any money in the damn pot.
What are you guys doing for table selection? Finding fish seems like a difficult task.. so I've been trying to just sort out who the bad regs are and try to play with them. But they are bad in such a nitty way it is painful to sit with them.
Any advice?
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
Is it my imagination or are the games so friggin nitty at 50NL? Is it that way as well 100-200NL? I can't get anyone to put any money in the damn pot.
What are you guys doing for table selection? Finding fish seems like a difficult task.. so I've been trying to just sort out who the bad regs are and try to play with them. But they are bad in such a nitty way it is painful to sit with them.
Any advice?
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bluff more
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Check out my blog here!
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donkfish
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Past couple days have been horrid for me as well. I'm running a cold 10/8 (reg 16/12 @ FR) over the last 3k hands and every time I've picked up a decent hand I get 3-bet by the one nit at the table. At least I know my fold button works on Stars. It's been working overtime.
Maybe the cards are cold for everybody this week. 
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw
Is it my imagination or are the games so friggin nitty at 50NL? Is it that way as well 100-200NL? I can't get anyone to put any money in the damn pot.
What are you guys doing for table selection? Finding fish seems like a difficult task.. so I've been trying to just sort out who the bad regs are and try to play with them. But they are bad in such a nitty way it is painful to sit with them.
Any advice?
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Improve so that more people are fish.
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CBAT
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Full House
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50NL seems fine. 100NL seemed to be nitty yesterday. But a lot of times I feel like its more based on how you are running that day. Because if you cooler a couple fish, you'll be saying, "TABLES ARE GREAT!"
Are you playing 20-50bb, 40-100, or deep?
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oskar
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The best table selection is still to open tables. You'll have to learn some heads-up against semi-decent players otherwise it can backfire, but it's the way to go imo.
The 250bb tables on stars are still the softest imo. Buy in for 100 if you don't want to play deep. - The regs will be opening wide because of the antes and the deep stacks, and you can exploit that massively by 3-betting a wide range IP because their opening ranges are too wide and their opening sizes too big against a 100bb stack in lP.
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CBAT
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Full House
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Originally Posted by oskar
The best table selection is still to open tables. You'll have to learn some heads-up against semi-decent players otherwise it can backfire, but it's the way to go imo.
The 250bb tables on stars are still the softest imo. Buy in for 100 if you don't want to play deep. - The regs will be opening wide because of the antes and the deep stacks, and you can exploit that massively by 3-betting a wide range IP because their opening ranges are too wide and their opening sizes too big against a 100bb stack in lP.
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THIS ftw.
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Micro2Macro
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yeah start more tables guys. we're all to blame here for this. I see a lot of regs (getting worse lately) just relying on pure bumhunting tactics (waiting for fish to sit then instantly grabbing a seat to their right). just because you are sitting with another reg who you predict to have a neutral edge with doesn't mean it's not +EV. you need to consider your overall expectation in this game, and sometimes that will involve taking a slightly -EV proposition in a vacuum for a greater overall gain.
not saying we should all just purely start tables, but every once and awhile it can't hurt. some people NEVER play regs hu to stat tables and unfortunately for them they probably won't be around in a few years.
im also not saying to start tables if you aren't comfortably rolled for hu at a new limit. wait till you have proven you can beat the stake you intend to play if you aren't comfortable with your hu game and once you gain exp with the regs + are winning then its a good time to start games more.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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caddie444
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
yeah start more tables guys. we're all to blame here for this. I see a lot of regs (getting worse lately) just relying on pure bumhunting tactics (waiting for fish to sit then instantly grabbing a seat to their LEFT). just because you are sitting with another reg who you predict to have a neutral edge with doesn't mean it's not +EV. you need to consider your overall expectation in this game, and sometimes that will involve taking a slightly -EV proposition in a vacuum for a greater overall gain.
not saying we should all just purely start tables, but every once and awhile it can't hurt. some people NEVER play regs hu to stat tables and unfortunately for them they probably won't be around in a few years.
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fyp
I have never started a table... will def do this
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Don't complain; Just work harder - Randy Pausch (The Last Lecture)
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Icanhastreebet
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw
Is it my imagination or are the games so friggin nitty at 50NL? Is it that way as well 100-200NL? I can't get anyone to put any money in the damn pot.
What are you guys doing for table selection? Finding fish seems like a difficult task.. so I've been trying to just sort out who the bad regs are and try to play with them. But they are bad in such a nitty way it is painful to sit with them.
Any advice?
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stop 87 tabling and learn to play HUs/start tables
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spoonitnow
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
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I already made that adjustment, I just miss people handing their money over hand over fist. I guess I will have to just settle for loosening up.. no need to play less tables, 24 is already boring enough.
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The short handed tables are pretty fishy, but you gotta constantly deal with getting shoved on by shorties.
I will try opening a few deep tables and see what they are like tomorrow.
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