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Old 08-22-2009, 09:42 AM     Post subject: game quality and trickle down effects 200nl+ #1 (permalink)  
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 A question.
Does the game quality at 1-2 and 2-4 significantly deteriorate when there are no higher stakes tables running?
Seems as though the decent regs are likely to move down, damaging the fish:reg ratio. Or is this a flawed hypothesis? Thoughts? especially from those who play at these stakes.

Just wondering, as I'm about to start a 1-2 session, and notice that there are only 8 tables running at stakes above 1-2.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:48 AM #3 (permalink)  
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the games were still pretty weak.
200nl seems weaker than 100nl so far - bring on primetime!
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:16 AM #4 (permalink)  
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200nl is defffinitely not weaker than 100nl, but gl =]
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Old 08-22-2009, 12:42 PM #5 (permalink)  
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200nl is defffinitely not weaker than 100nl, but gl =]
not even on Full Tilt?

from talking to a few people, it seems as though the big step on stars is 100nl ->200nl, and on FT it's 50nl ->100nl. Dunno, see how it all pans out I guess.
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Old 08-22-2009, 08:08 PM #6 (permalink)  
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u r just running well lol
running SOOOO hot

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River: ($595) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

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don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 08-23-2009, 02:09 AM #8 (permalink)  
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oh, yah idunno about FT really, i play on stars
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:28 AM #9 (permalink)  
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lol dude, its not running bad when you get KK in vs AA


But I have felt your pain as we all have here
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 I've seen 2/4 regs come down to 1/2... but then you realize they're not that great as well, and 2/4 is prolly just as EZ... so...
srzly. Has anyone ever really struggled from one stake to the next past idk... 2NL?
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I've seen 2/4 regs come down to 1/2... but then you realize they're not that great as well, and 2/4 is prolly just as EZ... so...
srzly. Has anyone ever really struggled from one stake to the next past idk... 2NL?
I hear the jump from 25/50 to 50/100 is a real bitch
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