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ville18

06-10-2005, 08:51 AM Post subject: g00t bluff.

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***** Hand History for Game 2184393620 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Friday, June 10, 04:44:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 37076 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 7: wiwwe18 ( $50.1 )
Seat 1: aloha_jack ( $21.05 )
Seat 6: BrightHope ( $38.4 )
Seat 2: crazybeach ( $11.5 )
Seat 10: mosleywinds ( $8.15 )
Seat 5: old_baldy2 ( $28.9 )
Seat 8: pok3r_is_fun ( $5.1 )
Seat 3: J_Ocean ( $27 )
Seat 9: foozballz ( $26.15 )
wiwwe18 posts small blind [$0.1].
pok3r_is_fun posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to wiwwe18 [

]
foozballz folds.
mosleywinds calls [$0.25].
aloha_jack calls [$0.25].
crazybeach folds.
J_Ocean raises [$1].
old_baldy2 folds.
BrightHope folds.
wiwwe18 calls [$0.9].
pok3r_is_fun folds.
mosleywinds calls [$0.75].
aloha_jack calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [

]
wiwwe18 checks.
mosleywinds checks.
aloha_jack bets [$1].
>You have options at Table 36910 Table!.
J_Ocean raises [$5].
wiwwe18 calls [$5].
mosleywinds folds.
aloha_jack folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ :Jd: ]
wiwwe18 checks.
J_Ocean checks.
** Dealing River ** [

]
imn01 has joined the table.
>You have options at Table 36910 Table!.
wiwwe18 bets [$10].
J_Ocean: f'in river ...
J_Ocean: 1010
J_Ocean: nh
J_Ocean folds.
wiwwe18 shows [

] high card jack.
wiwwe18 wins $24.5 from the main pot with high card jack.

Since he wanted to terminate flush draws with his re-raise it was easy to rep it on the river. had to show since he got pissed

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Dassin

06-10-2005, 10:05 AM

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Very nice, I especially like when you run into players that think they are poker gods, and know exactly what you have and how you play, then you do something like that

Cocco_Bill

06-10-2005, 10:24 AM

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Is this you Ville?

The hand was played a long time ago. I think its more important to post and look at hands you have misplayed than ones played correctly. Do you see why this hand was grossly misplayed? Tell me why and then make sure you wont make this kind of expensive mistake again!

***** Hand History for Game 2057644624 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 16, 09:54:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 37261 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: SuddenlyNuts ( $136.84 )
Seat 4: taffy_jones ( $115.82 )
Seat 9: taggl00 ( $88.85 )
Seat 10: pkrpwr ( $46.9 )
Seat 8: Dayfly ( $54.3 )
Seat 1: nolej ( $58.8 )
Seat 6: Igor_99 ( $5.75 )
Seat 5: REDDRAGGON1 ( $46.75 )
Seat 7: ville18 ( $51.65 )
Seat 2: randyradambz ( $48.75 )
Igor_99 posts small blind [$0.25].
ville18 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dayfly [ :Qd: :Qc: ]
>You have options at Table 37008 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37514 Table!.
Dayfly raises [$1.5].
taggl00 folds.
pkrpwr folds.
nolej folds.
randyradambz folds.
SuddenlyNuts folds.
taffy_jones folds.
REDDRAGGON1 calls [$1.5].
Igor_99 is all-In.
ville18 calls [$5.25].
Dayfly calls [$4.25].
REDDRAGGON1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [

, :Qs: ]
ville18 bets [$25].
Dayfly is all-In.
ville18 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ :Tc: ]
** Dealing River ** [

]
ville18 shows [ :Qh:, :Ah: ] a pair of queens.
Dayfly shows [ :Qd:, :Qc: ] three of a kind, queens.
Igor_99 doesn't show [ :Ks:, :Kc: ] a pair of kings.
Dayfly wins $2.65 from side pot #2 with three of a kind, queens.
Dayfly wins $89.7 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, queens.
Dayfly wins $17.85 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.
vnh

Element187

06-10-2005, 02:34 PM

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one mistake, you should have not showed him the bluff, you need to keep letting him believe that he can make master laydowns so you can keep using it against him and make some great money.

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ender555

06-10-2005, 07:53 PM

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cocco, that really wasn't a horrid play of his now was it? you called instead of pushed so i wouldnt put you on kings or aces. rarely are you dominated like he was in that hand, and if you play it aggressively you have no choice but too eat it. Also, it can be valuable betting big when someone else is all in and you hit the flop in anyway. If you can get them to lay down a better hand you win the pot. I saw someone do that at the final table of a 350k gauranteed tourny with QJ when he had queens, and somoene laid down AQ.

lolzzz_321

06-10-2005, 09:43 PM

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Cocco_Bill

06-11-2005, 03:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ender555

You seem think poker very different than I do.

First MTT play is very different than a full ring cash game.

In a full ring game after a 11BB pre flop raise the range of hands should be fairly limited.

Looks like you are implying that the merit of his play would be to perhaps fold a better hand and then go heads up against the small stack? So what better hands could he be up against here? KK, AA a set? Do you think that any of those hands are likely to fold here? Remember if he is up against a draw its better to make the opponent draw against the odds without the need of overbetting the pot. You want to be called! Also there is no reason to believe I would be drawing here.

He is betting 20 into a pot of 15, so for this to be a profitable play against a better hand he would need to first get me to fold the better hand and then also beat the small stack. Lets say he has x chance of getting me to fold a better hand and approximately 70% chance of having the small stack beat.

then he has a 0,7x chance of winning a 15$ pot this way
and a 1-x chance of losing those 20$ to the better hand.

so (1-x)*20 has to be smaller than 0.7x*15 for this to be profitable.

(1-x)*20<0.7x*15 , 1-x<0,7*15/20x, 1 < 0,7*15/20x + x

1 < x(0,7*15/20 +1), x> 1/(0,7*15/20 +1) => x> 0.6557

So he needs to fold KK or better 65,57% of the time with this 20$ bet for it to be profitable. I think its pretty rediculous to think this would be the case. With the big pre flop raises I would guess a better hand would fold here max 25% of the time.

Now if he tought he had the best hand and was betting for value, then the bet was far too big. It is very unlikely a worse hand would call here. Obviously JJ and smaller PP's are folding, AK is folding, KQ is unlikely to have called the pre flop raises, but a fold for KQ here would not be unreasonable. So in effect this bet is pretty much only getting called by better hands.

I will make a followup post on this later..

Edit: I mistakenly used $20 instead of the actual $25, that change would just make his play seem worse than it already appears by my calculations.

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