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dynamixx
Old 09-01-2005, 02:26 AM     Post subject: Funny quad Queen hand #1 (permalink)  

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And a lesson in how not to bluff

***** Hand History for Game 2631531922 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 31, 21:10:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 37535 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tgreen_03 ( $18.40 )
Seat 2: hard_wired1 ( $41.33 )
Seat 3: canemone ( $23.15 )
Seat 4: dubbs_44 ( $48.35 )
Seat 5: bigstakes09 ( $33.85 )
Seat 6: carounder ( $10.50 )
Seat 7: Noober13 ( $42.68 )
Seat 8: ravi99 ( $0 )
Seat 9: Big_Slk0669 ( $27.40 )
Seat 10: BIGFRED61 ( $16.64 )
Noober13 posts small blind [$0.10].
BIGFRED61 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hard_wired1 [ Qd Qs ]
ravi99: doh
tgreen_03 folds.
hard_wired1 raises [$1].
canemone calls [$1].
dubbs_44 folds.
bigstakes09 calls [$1].
carounder folds.
Noober13 folds.
BIGFRED61 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 6c, Kd ]
hard_wired1 bets [$2].
canemone folds.
bigstakes09 calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
hard_wired1 checks.
bigstakes09 bets [$3].
hard_wired1 calls [$3].
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
hard_wired1 checks.
bigstakes09 is all-In [$27.85]
hard_wired1 calls [$27.85].
hard_wired1 shows [ Qd, Qs ] four of a kind, queens.
bigstakes09 doesn't show [ Jc, Ts ] a pair of queens.
hard_wired1 wins $66.05 from the main pot with four of a kind, queens.
bigstakes09 has left the table.

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Old 09-01-2005, 04:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Nice check/call on the river. Good read to know he'd bluff.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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That would be a tough decision on the river to check or bet. You lose a lot of $ if he checks behind. I usually throw out a decent sized bet but he will only call it and not raise. Nice play by you.
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:41 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't think this is a how-not-to-bluff. Obviously it was unfortunate timing. He likely thought you had a so-so king and the second queen out scared you. At the river he knows his only chance to take it down is a bluff, right? And sometimes the best way to disguise a bluff is probably to make it really obvious.
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dynamixx
Old 09-02-2005, 10:44 AM #5 (permalink)  

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That would be a tough decision on the river to check or bet. You lose a lot of $ if he checks behind. I usually throw out a decent sized bet but he will only call it and not raise. Nice play by you.
I did take a bit of risk by checking the river, and would have hated myself if he checked behind me, but he had been playing super agressive until now and because of the weakness I'd shown after the second queen came out, I was fairly sure he'd throw out a decent sized bet to try and take the pot down.

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I don't think this is a how-not-to-bluff. Obviously it was unfortunate timing. He likely thought you had a so-so king and the second queen out scared you. At the river he knows his only chance to take it down is a bluff, right? And sometimes the best way to disguise a bluff is probably to make it really obvious.
I think he made the mistake of completely overbetting the river Even if I had I half decent hand I'd be tempted to call, because when I've show so much weakness up until now, why is an all-in move necessary. If he wanted to me to call surely he'd throw out a more callable, say half pot- size bet? It just screams out bluff to me. He's only invested $6 into the pot so far, yet he's willing to stake his whole stack to gain that on the off chance that I haven't been slowplaying a full house or even trips Qs? I'd say thats bad bluffing.
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Old 09-02-2005, 01:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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He likely thought you had a so-so king and the second queen out scared you.
That's the problem. Against a good player, there's no difference in the betting pattern between scared hand and quads.
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
 
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:29 PM #7 (permalink)  
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aye; thank god quads are so rare ... you can play as though it's a scared hand and you'll be right 99% of the time
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