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Old 03-04-2006, 05:32 PM     Post subject: Fun with KK (not really) #1 (permalink)  

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Hand took place at Martins Poker. Villain is 30.95%/8.33% over 84 hands. His style is ordinary... nothing unusual. Villain may actually be one of the better players at this site. All constructive criticism welcomed. Before I say what I think my mistakes were, I would like to hear everyones input. Thanks.

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Game # 267272876 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0.50/1 - Table "Leon"
Game ended 2006-03-04 18:05:43 GMT+01:00

Players:
suckatthis (EUR 81.85 in seat 1)
MrDalex (EUR 25.10 in seat 2)
Villain (EUR 176.10 in seat 3)
Heyway4 (EUR 109.30 in seat 4)
Hero (EUR 187.65 in seat 5)
rajrajripe (EUR 196.35 in seat 6)

Dealer: Heyway4
Small Blind: Hero (0.50)
Big Blind: rajrajripe (1.00)

Hero was dealt: Kc - Kh

suckatthis Fold
MrDalex Call (1.00)
Villain Call (1.00)
Heyway4 Fold
Hero Raise (4.50)
rajrajripe Fold
MrDalex Fold
Villain Call (4.00)

Flop 4d - 9h - 4s

Hero Bet (6.00)
Villain Raise (12.00)
Hero Call (6.00)

Turn 4d - 9h - 4s - 6c

Hero Check
Villain Bet (30.00)
Hero Raise (60.00)
Villain Call (30.00)

River 4d - 9h - 4s - 6c - 7d

Hero Check
Villain All-In (99.10)
Hero Call (99.10)
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 You definetely lost that hand. On the flop I'd minraise the minraise to see if he really has trips. If he calls the flop I'm pretty lost with the hand. If he raises all in i'd fold or fold to any further raise. I don't like this situation, i really don't like your hand.
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Old 03-04-2006, 06:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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looks like he has a monster to me .I think he just called the turn in position hoping you would put the rest in on river. Instead of raising the turn I like trying to see a cheap showdown if you are going all the way with this hand. He could be falling in love with his over pair but I dunno. He limped after someone limped so its hard to give him credit for a big pair looks like he has a boat or is really slowplayin aces.
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Old 03-05-2006, 04:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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He's a little loose, but I don't think you can scoop that pot.

I can't put villian on a hand except 4x. I think he raises 99...

His turn play into his river play is perplexing though. Letting you see another card, then betting into you doesn't make sense. I don't play a 4 that way, I reraise the turn. I guess it's better than trying a river C/R, but I think you'd have bet that river too...
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Old 03-07-2006, 04:42 AM #5 (permalink)  

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You definetely lost that hand. On the flop I'd minraise the minraise to see if he really has trips. If he calls the flop I'm pretty lost with the hand. If he raises all in i'd fold or fold to any further raise. I don't like this situation, i really don't like your hand.
Raising his flop min-raise would probably have saved me a lot of money... most likely he would have pushed, then I would have instafolded. I'll have to keep that in mind for future similar situations.

This is one of those hands where I kept telling myself "he's bluffing, he's bluffing!!"... and on the river I made a crying call, knowing I was beat... badly played but another lesson learned. I usually don't get attached to PP's anymore, but this just shows that it still happens every once in a while.

His hand? 64s ... can anyone run a test to see the stats of KK vs 64s?
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:54 AM #6 (permalink)  
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pokenum -h kc kh - 6h 4h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc Kh 1361402 79.51 343107 20.04 7795 0.46 0.797
6h 4h 343107 20.04 1361402 79.51 7795 0.46 0.203


After flop:
pokenum -h kc kh - 6h 4h -- 4d 9h 4s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 4s 4d 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc Kh 88 8.89 902 91.11 0 0.00 0.089
6h 4h 902 91.11 88 8.89 0 0.00 0.911
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Old 03-07-2006, 07:30 AM #7 (permalink)  
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The flop min-raise is very scary.... blaah

My question for the hand is - what were you trying to accomplish with the turn check/min raise? The only thing you seemed to accomplish there was juicing up the pot and announcing your hand (letting the villian think you would call his AI on the river)...

The turn play dictates everything. With much less in the pot now, your hand becomes *much* easier to muck on the river. With all the money in the pot on the river, I can see you making that crying call and praying to see him show 10-10, JJ or maybe, just maybe A-9 or maybe something horrid like 3-3 or 5-5.... but with less money in the river on the pot + lack of strong reads + deep stacks, your river laydown becomes much easier to make... or, your crying call becomes much cheaper and you develop a nice read
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