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View Poll Results: What are merlthperl's pocket cards?
AQ 3 25.00%
A2 3 25.00%
AK 1 8.33%
QQ 0 0%
AA 0 0%
Other ... he's bluffing 5 41.67%
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:15 PM     Post subject: Full house laydown #1 (permalink)  

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The following hand is my second hand on that table, I have zero information about the opponents' playing style. I finally laid down my Full house ... I feared AQ or -more likely- A2 here. What do you think:

PokerStars Game #12220372970: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) -
2007/09/23 - 07:59:28 (ET)
Table 'Armisticia' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jmrutep ($21.70 in chips)
Seat 2: womball ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 3: merlthperl ($44.95 in chips)
Seat 4: F1ght$tar ($96.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Bernd S ($61.40 in chips)
Seat 6: fÖldBoy ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Mikkkey ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 8: middie33 ($28.50 in chips)
Seat 9: mannik9191 ($14.55 in chips)
jmrutep: posts small blind $0.25
womball: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fÖldBoy [2h 2d]
merlthperl: calls $0.50
F1ght$tar: folds
Bernd S: calls $0.50
fÖldBoy: calls $0.50
Mikkkey: folds
middie33: folds
mannik9191: calls $0.50
jmrutep: calls $0.25
womball: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Ah 2s]
jmrutep: bets $1
womball: folds
merlthperl: raises $2 to $3
Bernd S: folds
fÖldBoy: raises $2 to $5
mannik9191: folds
jmrutep: folds
merlthperl: raises $5 to $10
fÖldBoy: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Qs Ah 2s] [Th]
merlthperl: bets $10
fÖldBoy: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Qs Ah 2s Th] [As]
merlthperl: bets $24.45 and is all-in
fÖldBoy: folds
merlthperl collected $41.90 from pot
merlthperl: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44 | Rake $2.10
Board [Qs Ah 2s Th As]
Seat 1: jmrutep (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: womball (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: merlthperl collected ($41.90)
Seat 4: F1ght$tar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Bernd S folded on the Flop
Seat 6: fÖldBoy folded on the River
Seat 7: Mikkkey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: middie33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mannik9191 (button) folded on the Flop
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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push turn, as played call river with those pot odds
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Old 09-24-2007, 02:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I don't think I like that fold. He could easily have a goofy AK but AsXs seems fairly likely.
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He limped from UTG, raised and re-raised the flop; he's clearly very strong. I suspect A2 depending on what kind of player he is. Based on flop play I smell QQ as well. I think it was a good lay down only if he's not a typical $50NL donk.
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:02 PM     Post subject: Re: Full house laydown #5 (permalink)  
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*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fÖldBoy [2h 2d]
merlthperl: calls $0.50
F1ght$tar: folds
Bernd S: calls $0.50
fÖldBoy: calls $0.50
Mikkkey: folds
middie33: folds
mannik9191: calls $0.50
jmrutep: calls $0.25
womball: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Ah 2s]
jmrutep: bets $1
womball: folds
merlthperl: raises $2 to $3
Bernd S: folds
fÖldBoy: raises $2 to $5
mannik9191: folds
jmrutep: folds
merlthperl: raises $5 to $10
fÖldBoy: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Qs Ah 2s] [Th]
merlthperl: bets $10
fÖldBoy: calls $10



 
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Reraise flop to $12, call a shove, get the rest in on the turn if he just calls the flop reraise.



 
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Old 09-24-2007, 04:06 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Reraise flop to $12, call a shove, get the rest in on the turn if he just calls the flop reraise.
QFT

Due to preflop, you can HEAVILY discount villian having AQ. Most likely Ace-Rag, of which A2 is the least likely because there is ONLY one 2 left in the deck. You played this SUPER weak, and gave your villian WAY too much credit.

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I finally laid down my Full house ... I feared AQ or -more likely- A2 here.
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Old 09-24-2007, 05:09 PM #8 (permalink)  
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He limped from UTG, raised and re-raised the flop; he's clearly very strong. I suspect A2 depending on what kind of player he is. Based on flop play I smell QQ as well. I think it was a good lay down only if he's not a typical $50NL donk.
this is wrong. DO U C Y?
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:14 PM #9 (permalink)  

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this is wrong. DO U C Y?
I guess only a real idiot would (a) bet on the flop like that with Ace + low kicker or (b) just limp UTG with QQ.

The only reason for a flat call with QQ from UTG is to re-raise any other raise preflop. Maybe he expected a raise ... I can't tell, it was only the 2nd hand of the day for me.

During the hand I was pretty sure he hit a two pair at least, he didn't lose any time betting 30% of his stack on the turn. Without an A on the river I'd have called anything.
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I don't think I like that fold. He could easily have a goofy AK but AsXs seems fairly likely.
As was on the board, so no chance for that
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:51 PM #11 (permalink)  
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He usually has Ax where x probably is a medium card but could be an oddly played AK/AQ etc.

You are probably ahead to trips on this river (more than 50%) but even if you arent then you are definatly winning more than the 35-40% you need to call this shove.

Also get it in on the turn.

Also stop slowplaying big hands when the other guy has already shown he is ready to put more money in NOW.
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:38 PM #12 (permalink)  
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You can't fold a boat. Repeat: YOU HAVE A FULL HOUSE, DON'T FOLD. The majority of times you are ahead here so you gotta push. The only time I fold a FH is when there is 2 pr on the board and I've got the dummy end of it.
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:42 PM #13 (permalink)  
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As played I kinda like the river fold. You fucked up the hand before that. Don't minreraise. I like just calling the raise to $10 on the flop but push the turn ffs.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:49 PM #14 (permalink)  
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this is wrong. DO U C Y?
I guess only a real idiot would (a) bet on the flop like that with Ace + low kicker or (b) just limp UTG with QQ.

The only reason for a flat call with QQ from UTG is to re-raise any other raise preflop. Maybe he expected a raise ... I can't tell, it was only the 2nd hand of the day for me.

During the hand I was pretty sure he hit a two pair at least, he didn't lose any time betting 30% of his stack on the turn. Without an A on the river I'd have called anything.
You have moe than 50% equity in this spot for the times he has an overboat. Looking at the odds you need to call.
So folding is bad, very very bad IMO. Your turn play sucked balls also. Raise, opp isnt folding much tehre
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:55 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 I saw the flop action, I though this was 1/2 Limit. I was about to tell OP to post this in Limit section, but it turns out this is an NL hand. WTF?


To OP: you have a set on flop. Why do you end the betting? Also why do you minreraise? Do you or do you not want a big pot with a big hand?

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Old 09-25-2007, 03:03 AM #16 (permalink)  
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I saw the flop action, I though this was 1/2 Limit. I was about to tell OP to post this in Limit section, but it turns out this is an NL hand. WTF?


To OP: you have a set on flop. Why do you end the betting? Also why do you minreraise? Do you or do you not want a big pot with a big hand?
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:32 AM     Post subject: Re: Full house laydown #17 (permalink)  
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*** FLOP *** [Qs Ah 2s]
jmrutep: bets $1
womball: folds
merlthperl: raises $2 to $3
Bernd S: folds
fÖldBoy: raises $6 to $9
fixed your flop play.
As played, villain re-raised over your min-raise, you should raise again, not stop the betting. Get it all in on the flop. Why do you play 22 if not to flop a set. Are you really that scared of AA/QQ here?
and as played, you should be at least re-raising the turn, probably shoving. Why did you play it like you did?
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:19 PM #18 (permalink)  
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*** FLOP *** [Qs Ah 2s]
jmrutep: bets $1
womball: folds
merlthperl: raises $2 to $3
Bernd S: folds
fÖldBoy: raises $6 to $9
fixed your flop play.
As played, villain re-raised over your min-raise, you should raise again, not stop the betting. Get it all in on the flop. Why do you play 22 if not to flop a set. Are you really that scared of AA/QQ here?
and as played, you should be at least re-raising the turn, probably shoving. Why did you play it like you did?
i prefer a shove here fwiw when we know he may not be able to fold a very strong second best hand.
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*** FLOP *** [Qs Ah 2s]
jmrutep: bets $1
womball: folds
merlthperl: raises $2 to $3
Bernd S: folds
fÖldBoy: raises $6 to $9
fixed your flop play.
As played, villain re-raised over your min-raise, you should raise again, not stop the betting. Get it all in on the flop. Why do you play 22 if not to flop a set. Are you really that scared of AA/QQ here?
and as played, you should be at least re-raising the turn, probably shoving. Why did you play it like you did?
i prefer a shove here fwiw when we know he may not be able to fold a very strong second best hand.
You don't think a $43.25 raise is suspicious? I mean i'm a donk, but when someone over-bet pushes on the flop i KNOW i'm beat... surely the only hands calling that are ones we lose to?
I think it's all been said before about the right action.
Raise more on the flop, if he still re-raises you, you can push or call and then shove turn.
I'd rather smooth call and shove turn because imo 4-betting flop sometimes scares even idiots with 2pair :P

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Old 09-25-2007, 11:13 PM #20 (permalink)  
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Villian could very well be on a flush draw here. Look at his betting line.
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Villian could very well be on a flush draw here. Look at his betting line.
the only flush draw that makes sense with the action on the flop is Asxs and the As came on the river.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:09 AM #22 (permalink)  
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this reeks of a brag post that has terrible action leading to hero's "correct" fold
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:18 PM #23 (permalink)  

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At these limits, if I hit a small set on a double suited flop against a villain who clearly also has a piece of the flop, I push my stack in.

This action makes it look like you are a donk on a flush draw (we see this play so often), and villain will probably call. I have even seen villains calling me in this situation when they have the flush draw...LOL.

This is one of my very favourite situations to be in and so very very profitable!

But going back to the situation on river. You are probably beat, but I would make a crying call.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:01 PM #24 (permalink)  
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this reeks of a brag post that has terrible action leading to hero's "correct" fold
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fÖldBoy: folds
merlthperl collected $41.90 from pot
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Old 10-11-2007, 03:37 AM #26 (permalink)  
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lol.

whose ass is that?? i'd say foldboy lost his.
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 Three diff asses.

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