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Cocco_Bill
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03-27-2005, 03:21 PM
Post subject: Folding the nut full house
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This was played on Prima so I don't have a hand history.
50PL
I get dealt   in late position, everyone limps ahead of me, I raise 3$ get 2 callers player 1 and player 2. Both me and player 2 have +80$ stacks. Player 2 is loose and will call pre flop with all kinds of crap.
Pot(9$)
flop:   
Player 2 bets 2$ i raise to 6$, player 1 folds player 2 calls
pot(21$)
turn:
player 2 checks, I bet 15$, player 2 calls
pot(51$)
river: 
Player 2 is all in for 55$
I say nice river and fold...
Agree with this?
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Fnord
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Looks like Ax to me. He may as well push on the river and hope you fold. Given 1 ace and 1 jack left in the deck and the chance he has something weird I think you have to call that river getting 2:1.
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Cocco_Bill
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I came into this hand from just flopping the nut full house on another table against a flopped 4 of a kind losing my stack, so maybe that affected my decision. I also got a bit of a read on him here, the way he hesitated on earlier streets and then immidiately went all in on the river suggested that he he hit big.
result: he shows J6 !
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Fnord
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If that's your read, go with it and fold. I just think it's closer than you might have thought...
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Cocco_Bill
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During that session I was also on the receiving end of a set over set two times and still managed to brake even. Just goes to show how god awful the 50NL/PL players on Prima are.
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by Fnord
If that's your read, go with it and fold. I just think it's closer than you might have thought...
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I know that it was a close call and I don't know if I would do the same in similar situations in the future. Thats why I posted this, to get valuable opinions like yours.
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Fnord
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Thinking about it some more, that sounds EXACTLY like a weak ace. Consider that his position is pretty weak until the river which takes his kicker out of play. I think trips out of position would try to get more money in the pot on the flop or turn.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
During that session I was also on the receiving end of a set over set two times and still managed to brake even. Just goes to show how god awful the 50NL/PL players on Prima are. |
Yeah, I got stacked a bunch today too. 1 mistake, 1 horrible beat against my set, TT cracking my Aces after putting in 1/2 his stack in pre-flop, then QQ doing the same after putting in 1/3 pre-flop. Still came out ahead.
It's amazing how fast the small pots add up. I remember at one table I built up to a 150BB stack and never really had much for cards, nor had to show anything down.
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Thinking about it some more, that sounds EXACTLY like a weak ace. Consider that his position is pretty weak until the river which takes his kicker out of play. I think trips out of position would try to get more money in the pot on the flop or turn.
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It would be pretty awful play by him to call the flop and turn with A and bad kicker here though. Any jack and any raising hand like AK AQ would be beating him. Should be an easy fold.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
It would be pretty awful play by him to call the flop and turn with A and bad kicker here though. Any jack and any raising hand like AK AQ would be beating him. Should be an easy fold.
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First you say how awful the players are, then you come to this conclusion?
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
It would be pretty awful play by him to call the flop and turn with A and bad kicker here though. Any jack and any raising hand like AK AQ would be beating him. Should be an easy fold.
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First you say how awful the players are, then you come to this conclusion? |
Guess you are right..he did call a 6BB pre flop raise with J6 after all..
he could have very well been playing and calling with Ax
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ya, that kind of sucks for you man.
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