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Old 07-23-2007, 12:59 AM     Post subject: Folding KK preflop #1 (permalink)  
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 Fucking check out this shit! first timer for me, maybe because I knew there was going to be a showdown.

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Blinds: $1/$2
8 players
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Table 'Luthera' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: VBCardinal ($450.65 in chips)
Seat 3: zagagolfer15 ($203 in chips)
Seat 4: XyrisMax ($222.45 in chips)
Seat 5: +1 woody_s ' ($13.40 in chips)
Seat 6: BankItDrew ($207.35 in chips)
Seat 7: AllTheWay33 ($208.05 in chips)
Seat 8: lorre_7 ($216.20 in chips)
Seat 9: beaux ($203.90 in chips)
BankItDrew: posts small blind $1
AllTheWay33: posts big blind $2
coconut: sits out

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $14, 3 folds, Button calls all-in $13.4, Hero raises to $34, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $110, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $76 returned to UTG+1.

Flop: ($42.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $42.2)


Turn: ($42.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $42.2)


River: ($42.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $42.2)

*** SHOW DOWN ***
beaux: shows (a full house, Queens full of Aces)

Results:
Final pot: $42.2
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Old 07-23-2007, 03:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i've done this once or twice, but usually when there's been 3 raises and an impossible nit pushes. The known showdown made this one gratifying. VNH
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Old 07-23-2007, 03:32 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hm wow. I dunno.
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 I've laid kings down to aces a number of times, but I don't anymore. I think you only have to be against queens like once in five to break even, generally.
 
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:10 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Never folding KK pre-flop = +ev ?
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Never folding KK pre-flop = +ev ?
I don't think you and wufwugy are on the same page regarding EV. Both are correct in that if you push KK preflop everytime, you will come out a winner in the long run. Also, If you fold KK against AA preflop and push the rest of the time, you will end up positive EV.
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If you fold KK against AA preflop...you will end up positive EV.
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You got x-ray glasses? You need to put your opponent on exactly AA, which we can rarely do.



 
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:06 AM #8 (permalink)  
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someone do the math for how many times it *doesnt* have to be AA to be plusEV.
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Old 07-26-2007, 01:09 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Folding KK preflop is OK vs. a nitty/tight reg, especially if you are 150BB+
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