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Old 06-17-2006, 06:43 PM     Post subject: Folding on the flop? #1 (permalink)  
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($66.15)
SB ($47)
BB ($64.90)
UTG ($66.35)
UTG+1 ($22.45)
UTG+2 ($13.50)
MP1 ($49.50)
MP2 ($49.10)
MP3 ($49.50)
Hero ($57.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.8, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $2.30.

Flop: ($6.85) 6, T, 4 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 raises to $27.75, Hero calls $24.75.

Turn: ($62.35) Q (2 players)
He puts the rest in, Hero calls $18.55.

River: ($80.90) J (2 players)

Final Pot: $80.90
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Old 06-17-2006, 06:48 PM #2 (permalink)  

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Hey Strip, I think I played with you today, ARKman88.

With no reads on Villan, I normally fold. Having said that, I was in similar situations several times today with KK/AA and stacked a bunch of people trying similar stuff with bad draws or weak overpairs like JJ. So I think a push here is justifiable.
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Old 06-17-2006, 08:08 PM #3 (permalink)  
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We have played 275 hands all in all together...
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Old 06-17-2006, 08:22 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Reads really come in handy here, do you have any?

Your flop bet was pretty weak, and your opponents raise was very strong. As played Im really unsure of what to do on this flop against an unknown, I dont think Id hate a push or how you played it. If you call you need to call the turn push, and I think you may get some more money out of worse hands there that wouldnt call a flop push. Against somebody you have some good reads or stats on this could be an easy call or fold, otherwise Im really not all that sure.
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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.75
UTG+1: $40.95
Stripclbjnk: $47.50
MP2: $2.50
MP3: $32.88
CO: $119.84
Button: $52.85
SB: $58.03
BB: $55.80

Pre-flop: (9 players) Stripclbjnk is MP1 with K K
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Stripclbjnk raises to $3, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3 8 6 ($12.75, 4 players)
UTG checks, Stripclbjnk checks, MP3 checks, Button bets $3, UTG calls, Stripclbjnk raises to $21.4, MP3 folds, Button raises all-in $46.85, UTG folds, Stripclbjnk calls all-in $23.1.
Uncalled bets: $2.35 returned to Button.

Turn: Q ($104.75, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $104.75)


River: 7 ($104.75, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $104.75)


Results:
Final pot: $104.75
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Old 06-17-2006, 08:29 PM #6 (permalink)  
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We have played 275 hands all in all together...
And I'm down 25 cents to you so far
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We have played 275 hands all in all together...
And I'm down 25 cents to you so far
Well thats about my profit I hate this game...
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Old 06-17-2006, 09:10 PM #9 (permalink)  
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We have played 275 hands all in all together...
And I'm down 25 cents to you so far
Well thats about my profit I hate this game...
Poker would be so much easier if you could see everyone else's cards hey?

Folding overpairs hurts me deep down. But sometimes you just have to do it. Against an unknown it can really hurt.. but in hand 1 a limp/call pf and a check/raise HUUUGE is usually an indication of either 1) set or 2) fish. As Fnord said, it depends if you should call/fold here. I might be talking weak/tight here, but in this situation I would tend to fold here more than call.

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We have played 275 hands all in all together...
And I'm down 25 cents to you so far
Well thats about my profit I hate this game...
Poker would be so much easier if you could see everyone else's cards hey?

Folding overpairs hurts me deep down. But sometimes you just have to do it. Against an unknown it can really hurt.. but in hand 1 a limp/call pf and a check/raise HUUUGE is usually an indication of either 1) set or 2) fish. As Fnord said, it depends if you should call/fold here. I might be talking weak/tight here, but in this situation I would tend to fold here more than call.
I think i should have folded, but he did overbet the pot alot...I think we need a "When you're beat!" sticky...
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