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Irisheyes
Old 06-06-2006, 12:22 AM     Post subject: Folding bottom set 400NL #1 (permalink)  
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GotThePowR is a regular TAGG.
baby juerg is a fish.

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Hand #322772238 at table: Table TH 319
Started: Tue Jun 06 01:11:08 2006

daniel7777 is at seat 1 with 437.30
Yussuf99 is at seat 2 with 435.20
All-in4Fun is at seat 3 with 499.20
GotThePowR is at seat 4 with 645.30
Badewanne is at seat 5 with 290.00
ab*CD*ef is at seat 6 with 297.50
digibient1 is at seat 7 with 644.60
baby juerg is at seat 8 with 176.00
X-Charity is at seat 9 with 433.48
BumbleBee is at seat 10 with 319.82

ab*CD*ef posts the large blind 4.00
Badewanne posts the small blind 2.00

All-in4Fun: 3s, 3d

Pre-flop:

digibient1: Fold
baby juerg: Call 4.00
X-Charity: Fold
BumbleBee: Fold
daniel7777: Fold
Yussuf99: Fold
All-in4Fun: Call 4.00
GotThePowR: Call 4.00
Badewanne: Fold
ab*CD*ef: Check

Flop (Board: 9d, 3h, 7c):

ab*CD*ef: Check
baby juerg: Check
All-in4Fun: Bet 12.00
GotThePowR: Call 12.00
ab*CD*ef: Fold
baby juerg: Call 12.00

Turn (Board: 9d, 3h, 7c, 4c):

baby juerg: Check
All-in4Fun: Bet 36.00
GotThePowR: Raise 100.00
baby juerg: Call 100.00
All-in4Fun: Raise 240.00
GotThePowR : All in (~$524)
baby juerg: All in
All-in4Fun: Fold
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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It looks like 56 to me. 77 is a possibility as well. What's your image? It looks like a good spot to fold.
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:30 AM #3 (permalink)  
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My image is solid TAGG.
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Old 06-06-2006, 01:34 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 The only hands which a solid Tagg would play that way are 99 or 77. surely he wouldnt slowplay 97 on that flop, he wouldnt raise a draw with two other people in the pot on the turn, he didnt raise preflop so its very unlikely to be an overpair, wouldnt call preflop with 93/94, surely would raise A9 on the flop for info? there just seems to be nothing he would play this way that you are beating.
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Old 06-06-2006, 02:13 AM #5 (permalink)  
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The only hands which a solid Tagg would play that way are 99 or 77. surely he wouldnt slowplay 97 on that flop, he wouldnt raise a draw with two other people in the pot on the turn, he didnt raise preflop so its very unlikely to be an overpair, wouldnt call preflop with 93/94, surely would raise A9 on the flop for info? there just seems to be nothing he would play this way that you are beating.
bit of a loose flop call if he turned a gutshot
Nice if he has the set
i think you have to lay this down but i certainly dont like it.
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Old 06-06-2006, 02:19 AM #6 (permalink)  
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What do people think of the turn reraise?
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Old 06-06-2006, 02:33 AM #7 (permalink)  
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How do you get this Hand History off Boss?
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Old 06-06-2006, 02:42 AM #8 (permalink)  
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You are a man for folding this.
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:02 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 id have played the turn the same, with middle set i might not have folded.
Just difficult to see opp not raising preflop in position with 77 or 99, makes the straight seem more likely
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Old 06-06-2006, 05:55 AM     Post subject: Re: Folding bottom set 400NL #10 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
GotThePowR is a regular TAGG.

All-in4Fun: Bet 36.00
GotThePowR: Raise 100.00
baby juerg: Call 100.00
I'm tempted to be done with the hand right here. What range are you putting GotThePowR on?

This hand is 10x easier to play when you raise pre-flop.
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Old 06-06-2006, 07:59 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Is it standard for you guys to raise preflop in this situation.

Fnord at that point I put GotThePowrR on 77/99/miniscule 45 chance/miniscule 8T semibluff combination/ slowplayed overpair.

Baby juerg could have Q9 here no probs.
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:30 AM     Post subject: Re: Folding bottom set 400NL #12 (permalink)  
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GotThePowR is a regular TAGG.

All-in4Fun: Bet 36.00
GotThePowR: Raise 100.00
baby juerg: Call 100.00
I'm tempted to be done with the hand right here. What range are you putting GotThePowR on?

This hand is 10x easier to play when you raise pre-flop.
I love raising pairs as opposed to overlimping them, but 33 doesn't exactly play well post-flop with 40bb effective stacks against a fish that limped in EP.

As far as the actual hand, I think it's pretty clear that you are crushed by this guy's range, and discussion should be how to win the most from second best hands while losing the least when we are beat. which is why I hate the turn 3-bet b/c it allows him to play perfect poker. I'm leaning towards calling the turn raise, but I want to think about this one.

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Fnord at that point I put GotThePowrR on 77/99/miniscule 45 chance/miniscule 8T semibluff combination/ slowplayed overpair.
given this range it's obviously a fold, but are you confident it's this tight, even with the fish in the hand? (very well could be, which is why I'm asking)
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:34 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 I mostly limp preflop (due to the ep limpers short stack, but sometimes I will raise too. He has enough behind to give FE on the flop), and I fold to the first turn raise.

Bottom set is pretty easy to fold in an unraised pot.
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Old 06-06-2006, 11:46 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Yeah I'm pretty confident in that range I put him on there. His play would tend to be towards the straight forward end of things.

Hence my problem with my turn reraise - what worse hands call it?
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:47 PM #15 (permalink)  
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I mostly limp preflop (due to the ep limpers short stack, but sometimes I will raise too. He has enough behind to give FE on the flop), and I fold to the first turn raise.

Bottom set is pretty easy to fold in an unraised pot.
if you never folded bottom set in an unraised pot at 100bb deep on an uncoordinated board, it would probably be the smallest leak in your game if it even was one at all.

That said, this seems like a pretty good spot to do it.
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