|
pokerroomace
|
02-07-2007, 07:31 PM
Post subject: Folding big pairs pf (QQ-TT)
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Full House
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 783
|
|
2 hand histories below where i folded big pairs. I'm used to playing at pokerroom and I usually I would never fold hands like this so easily, but full tilt the players are a lot tighter and you don't get many players with a VP$IP of over 50% where as at pokerroom they're all over the place at the lower stakes.
Quote:
Full Tilt Poker Game #1749662428: Table Apple - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:24:14 ET - 2007/02/07
Seat 1: charlie0227 ($7.15)
Seat 2: Hero ($24.65)
Seat 3: Pulda ($48.80)
Seat 4: Dillinger17 ($16.90)
Seat 5: MangaGav ($30.20)
Seat 6: gnotgnomal ($10.10)
Seat 7: aoreilly88 ($26.90)
Seat 8: Vanessa1983 ($24.05)
Seat 9: Wotan_HH ($27.30)
gnotgnomal posts the small blind of $0.10
aoreilly88 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc Qd]
Vanessa1983 calls $0.25
Wotan_HH calls $0.25
charlie0227 folds
Hero raises to $1.50
Pulda calls $1.50
Dillinger17 folds
MangaGav folds
gnotgnomal folds
aoreilly88 raises to $6.60
Vanessa1983 folds
Wotan_HH folds
Hero folds
Pulda folds
Uncalled bet of $5.10 returned to aoreilly88
aoreilly88 mucks
aoreilly88 wins the pot ($5.10)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.10 | Rake $0
|
In the above hand I don't have stats on aoreilly88. He just joined the table and had only played 5 hands before this. His PFR was 0% and his VP$IP was 40% - but that doesn't mean anything. Pulda is a tight player and I'm quite sure he didn't have a premium hand. I'm 90% sure that he raises with QQ-AA and he probably raises AKs/o too. I think he might limp AQs and a few worse hands. But I think most likely he has a small pocket pair and is looking to stack me. 22-99 I think he has, so I'm not worried at all about Pulga having me beat.
The reason I fold is because the only way I can play the hand confidently is if I flop a set. If the flop comes undercards to my QQ, aoreilly will probably bet (since he has been aggressive pf) and I'll have to commit my whole stack to the hand. If the flop shows an Ace or King I'll also be very scared to play. If he cbets and I call I'm basically commited to the hand. I thought it would be much easier to fold pf. I think there is more chance that I'm getting stacked here or losing a pot where I'm ahead than me winning the hand/stacking him.
Quote:
Full Tilt Poker Game #1749696938: Table Count Diero - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:31:28 ET - 2007/02/07
Seat 1: CheckTheMeaning ($24.65)
Seat 2: KlaxXxXx ($14.75)
Seat 3: FeelTheGreen ($25)
Seat 4: pexiM ($24.95), is sitting out
Seat 5: PokerBabeB ($29.90)
Seat 6: el_mono ($48.15)
Seat 7: gnotgnomal ($14.60)
Seat 8: braves025 ($19.65)
Seat 9: Hero ($38.55)
KlaxXxXx posts the small blind of $0.10
FeelTheGreen posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Jh Jc]
PokerBabeB folds
el_mono folds
gnotgnomal folds
braves025 folds
Hero raises to $1
CheckTheMeaning folds
KlaxXxXx raises to $3.60
FeelTheGreen folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $2.60 returned to KlaxXxXx
KlaxXxXx mucks
KlaxXxXx wins the pot ($2.25)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.25 | Rake $0
|
In the above hand I don't have any stats on Klaxx. It's his first hand at the table. Maybe I was a bit too tight here, but I thought a raise from SB showed to much strength. I think I should have maybe called though since I have position. But the pot is already big going into the flop and he could easily have an overpair or he could hit the flop with his 2 overcards. Even if the flop comes Qxx I'm in a tough spot.
The average FullTilt player is much tighter than I'm used to and therefore I'm giving their pf bets a lot more respect. Maybe the above 2 hands I was too tight. But I had the feeling that I didn't have control of the hand and if I let go preflop I would only lose a small pot.
What do you think?
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
bigspenda73
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
|
|
If a guy with a 0 PFR 3bets PF your QQ shrinks horribly.
Hand 2 is interesting. You get 3bet again and youre not getting set value out of your JJ. At 25NL I guess you have to respect getting 3bet PF.
|
|
|
|
Miffed22001
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
Posts: 8,181
|
|
small stakes players rarely reraise AK preflop nowadays so i doubt they are reraising JJ/TT.
Saying that not a lot of players have reads > equity, but thats a totally other discussion.
|
|
|
|
flyingPenguin
|
|
Straight
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 193
|
|
Both are OK folds with no reads. You are behind a lot of FTP $25NL player's range here, but there are a bunch of players there who will reraise more lightly who it would be profitable to play these hands against. I'd almost certainly be folding the first hand against the full stack, but might be willing to gamble in the second hand.
|
|
|
|
pokerroomace
|
|
Full House
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 783
|
|
hand 1 was actually against quite a loose player (but i only found this out afterwards). still, there is a good chance i am behind. his raise does look strong and i have to give it some respect.
thanks for the replies. i thought i'd get a whole load of replies saying that i played way too tight
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
06-01-2012, 11:03 AM White House Responds to Poker Players Alliance's Petition
Linear Mode
