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Repoman75
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04-27-2005, 12:52 PM
Post subject: Folded AA.. good move?
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I don't have the hand history so I'll try to recreate from memory. 6 man table at PP, $50NL. There is MANIAC, SOLID player, and ME in that order starting clockwise from dealer.
I have about $100 stack.
Hand is dealt, SOLID is on the button.
I have AA. Everyone calls $.50. I raise to $3. Everyone folds except MANIAC and SOLID.
Flop comes 8s, 9c, Jh. I bet $3 again. MANIAC raises to $10, SOLID goes all in (about $35)....
Now, what do you do? I knew if I called SOLID, MANIAC would have gone all in (about $60 total), thereby risking me $60 out of my $100 stack. Also, with that flop, I'm thinking straight for some one.
So I fold AA, and MANIAC does call SOLID's all in. Flop is like 2s and 4s.
MANIAC lost - had KQ. SOLID wins with a pair of J (he also had a 10).
Good play on my part? I thought so, even though I kicked myself afterwards.
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Biren
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Yeah I think it was good play. Even though their straight didn't come out, it doesn't matter because had their straight came out or the 10 would've came out, you would've kicked yourself for making a bad play.
It's luck, I guess. But you did the right thing. So, no worries. 
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ville18
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I think I might still have went AI, because the solid player most likely knew that the one guy was a maniac. It's easier to say afterwards though.
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Greedo017
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If i were you, I would call, hoping maniac does go all-in so you can at least grab a nice side pot. if he doesn't call, at least you're heads up.
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dalecooper
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I'd fold. Dangerous flop and a player you think of as solid just went all-in over someone else's raise? That's a danger sign. His hand wasn't as strong as I suspected but I would have put him on a set or a made straight. You might possibly have him on another overpair like kings or queens, as well... but in any case, you're usually safe folding an overpair to that kind of action. In this case it would have actually been correct to call, but more often you should just let this one go.
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Admerylous
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I don't think I'm folding. I see the solid player about to push at this point with AJ, TT, KK, or QQ. You beat all of these. Now, what you have to worry about is trips. He could have a set.
I don't think I could fold this.
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Pyroxene
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04-27-2005, 07:56 PM
Post subject: Re: Folded AA.. good move?
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Repoman75
I don't have the hand history so I'll try to recreate from memory. 6 man table at PP, $50NL. There is MANIAC, SOLID player, and ME in that order starting clockwise from dealer.
I have AA. Everyone calls $.50. I raise to $3. Everyone folds except MANIAC and SOLID.
MANIAC lost - had KQ. SOLID wins with a pair of J (he also had a 10).
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Calling a 5xBB raise with JT is pretty loose. I am wondering if you had a loose table image? Had you been playing in a way that SOLID had no reason to respect your big raise? A solid player calling a big raise like that with no one else in and only one other player left to act usually does not indicate such a speculative hand.
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Pyroxene
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Cocco_Bill
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I'm not folding here
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Bmxicle
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Yep, i'll become very loose with what i can push with if i think i that i can isolate the maniac
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SmackinYaUp
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Id fold on that flop with a bet and a re-raise on that board. It connects with a variety of holdings, and its doubtul that you much more than a coinflip against either one of the opponents, let alone two of em. Whats the best you can hope for?
Even with that guy with top pair plus a draw has a ton of outs against you. Wait for better places to get your money in and outplay them. Being aggressive is very important, but i'd pass on that board.
I was just reading about this situation in supersystem2 and brunson doesnt like it either.
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Repoman75
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Thanks for the insights... I was playing very tight on that table and I think SOLID wanted to take MANIAC out as MANIAC had taken SOLID'S chips (a lot of them) on some lucky river draw a few hands ago.
I am starting to agree with some of your points saying that even if SOLID was holding the nuts, I should have called and taken MANIAC'S stack. At least then, I would have broken even and he would have been out.
It was interesting table... I actually ended up losing another $30 before I left on this hand to the MANIAC. My fault, I slowed played him and he got lucky (like 4 times he ended up getting lucky on the river).
I had 88. I raise like $2, and only maniac calls. Flop is 8, 3, 4. I bet only like $2, he calls. Turn is A. Again, only $2, he calls. (No flush draws whatsoever). River is 2. I go in like $6, he reraises to $10, I all. He shows A, 10 offsuit.. unbelievable.
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aleksandr
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I think you want maniac to push over the top of you there, because you likely have him beat at least. Not alot of outs for you; Solid has not the straight, he's making no attempt to slowplay the maniac, which is what you do against maniacs when you hit a great hand. He's trying to elicit a fold from you so he can take maniac heads up.
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