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Old 06-04-2006, 05:19 PM     Post subject: Fold trips here? #1 (permalink)  
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Villian instapushed over my flop raise, so the first thing that came to mind was 33. Can I fold this at 50NL?

POKERSTARS GAME #5149922441: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/06/04 - 13:08:51 (ET)
Table 'Dorothea' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Rockymv ($45.50 in chips)
Seat 3: peispud1 ($57.50 in chips)
Seat 4: L$U is #1 ($53.70 in chips)
Seat 5: rexzizo ($79.80 in chips)
Seat 6: MattCandy ($68.55 in chips)
Seat 7: thurbs13 ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Reynor ($34.25 in chips)
Seat 9: pterp ($29.65 in chips)
MattCandy: posts small blind $0.25
thurbs13: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [Qd Ac]
Reynor: calls $0.50
pterp: raises $0.50 to $1
Rockymv: calls $1
peispud1: folds
L$U is #1: folds
rexzizo: folds
MattCandy: calls $0.75
thurbs13: folds
Reynor: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3c Qs]
MattCandy: checks
Reynor: bets $2
pterp: folds
Rockymv: raises $5 to $7
MattCandy: folds
Reynor: raises $26.25 to $33.25 and is all-in
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Old 06-04-2006, 05:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd call. Quick.
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Old 06-04-2006, 05:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd call without a backward glance. 33 is possible but so is KQ, QJ, and QT. You're way ahead of his range and have outs against 33 (4 on the flop, 7 on the turn unless the turn card is a 2). So get the money in and cross your fingers. Incidentally, you should re-raise pre-flop here. You're pricing everyone in for the minimum raise when you have a hand that generally works better against a limited field, and for more money.
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I'd call without a backward glance. 33 is possible but so is KQ, QJ, and QT. You're way ahead of his range and have outs against 33 (4 on the flop, 7 on the turn unless the turn card is a 2). So get the money in and cross your fingers. Incidentally, you should re-raise pre-flop here. You're pricing everyone in for the minimum raise when you have a hand that generally works better against a limited field, and for more money.
why does a 2 on the turn change our outs?
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why does a 2 on the turn change our outs?
Because my brain is broken? I meant a 3, in which case we're down to 1 out (the case queen) to beat his quads. Don't ask me why I was talking about trip threes and then thinking quad twos in the same sentence.
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Incidentally, you should re-raise pre-flop here.
Sometime (this hand is a poor example) a call pf minraises in position because I can count on a pf minraiser to lead weak on the flop, giving me odds for a draw if i have one. Is this a leak?
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Sometime (this hand is a poor example) a call pf minraises in position because I can count on a pf minraiser to lead weak on the flop, giving me odds for a draw if i have one. Is this a leak?
I'm happy to flat call a pre-flop min-raiser with baby pairs and suited connectors, but AQo is not either of those hands. Then again, I'm never *planning* to draw to anything; I'd much rather win a bunch of small pots, right now, than hang around in twenty pots hoping for one flush to come my way.

A good re-raising range against a habitual min-raiser is TT-AA, AQ, AK, AJs, and KQs. In 6-max I'll add 88-99, ATs, and even KJs. I'm always looking to isolate on them, especially when I have position. What I'm desperately trying to avoid is 5-way family pots where everyone called in with garbage because it was cheap to do so. Few of the above hands play well in 5-way pots.
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Old 06-04-2006, 07:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 I'd never fold here against that stack.

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