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Old 04-06-2005, 01:20 AM     Post subject: Fold this set? #1 (permalink)  
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I think I needed to drop the hammer on that turn. Possibly even push more on the flop. I couldn't see calling for $18 more here...but raising more earlier would have done better at getting out the riff raff and making this easy to call.

What do you put SB on here?

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MP2 ($15)
MP3 ($49.25)
CO ($48.5)
Button ($31.45)
SB ($47.65)
BB ($7.1)
UTG ($61.75)
Hero ($28.05)
MP1 ($9.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, J. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5) J, 3, K (5 players)
SB bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, MP1 folds, Button folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds.

Turn: ($11.50) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6.

River: ($23.50) T (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $41.50
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Personally I don't like limping JJ, I like to raise it to at least 4BB regardless of position.

I would bet more on the turn and it looks like you indeed have to fold the river..there is always a possibility that he is tricky and uses that 10 as a scare card, generally speaking you must fold here though.

My guess is he is holding KQ or AQ.
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Definitely would have bet more on the flop AND the turn.

Could he be slow playing KK?
Why would he call the flop bet with AQ and NOT lead out when he hit his ace but still call? I don't see why he would call the turn bet with KQ either.
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I'd do this with two pair, assuming I missplayed my hand to the river.

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I used to bet out with JJ and TT from any position. TT was coming through as a money maker and JJ was losing me money. They have both been making me money since I started limping them both (from most positions).

I think I aggree about his holding.
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:46 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Personally I don't like limping JJ, I like to raise it to at least 4BB regardless of position.

I would bet more on the turn and it looks like you indeed have to fold the river..there is always a possibility that he is tricky and uses that 10 as a scare card, generally speaking you must fold here though.

My guess is he is holding KQ or AQ.
I LOOOVE limping with JJ.

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My EV limping with JJ and hoping for a set or overs? +
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as far as your play, I consider it entirely conceivable that has has KQ. Sucks, but you have to fold.
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:55 AM #8 (permalink)  
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From the limited amount of data I have I see that both JJ and TT are clearly in the positive. I usually raise both these hands 4BB and only rarely limp TT early position. I might start experimenting with limping these more often though.
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