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BIGandRICH
Old 10-24-2005, 02:01 PM     Post subject: fold an overpair to weak bet #1 (permalink)  
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this is a question a mate put to me a few days ago, it is a somewhat unusual situation.

table is full, for the sake of easy maths i will make it NL .50/$1

Seat 1
Seat 2 - (button)
Seat 3 - (sb)
Seat 4 - (bb)
Seat 5
Seat 6 - (hero)
Seat 7
Seat 8
Seat 9

Hole cards:

Seat 5 - calls $1
Seat 6 - (hero) - raises $4 to $5
Seat 7 - calls $5
Seat 8 - calls $5
Seat 9 - calls $5
Seat 1 - folds
Seat 2 - (button) calls $5
Seat 3 - (sb) folds
Seat 4 - (bb) calls $4
Seat 5 - calls $4

Pot size: $35

Flop:

Seat 4 - checks
Seat 5 – bets $7
Seat 6 - (hero) ????
Seat 7
Seat 8
Seat 9
Seat 2 - (button)

When my friend asked me this I straight away said raise, to the pot. Because calling is improving odds for straight and flush draws and folding is, well, folding an over pair to a weak bet. Then he pointed out that there are 4 more players to act after me in a pot where people quite likely would be playing drawing hands, low pairs and suited connectors. Not that he truly believed that a fold was the right move, we were unable to decide on what is best.

A fold is a pretty tight passive move here… the fold option is based on “only invested $5, there will be a better place” looks like a good time for an AA to lose a big pot rather than win a small one. Raising up to the pot is very much for information here, and its a lot to invest for info. If you were reraised AI you would be calling ~$50 into a ~$150 pot.

So is it a question of whether you win the current $40 pot if everyone folds enough times to account for the time you lose your stack?

For anyone’s responses could you continue them to the turn/river as well, because if you raise and get called your have more hard decisions coming your way.
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Rondavu
Old 10-24-2005, 02:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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FOLD

Whenever you see that many people calling a raise to the flop, you can almost guarantee you have a bunch of pocket pairs. You're behind here.

You have odds to call if you want, but with so many in it's hard to believe one pair will hold up. Honestly I might call to see what happens behind me, but it's probably wasted money because you have to fold to any raise. I just don't see the turn looking any better short of another ace.
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Kiriath
Old 10-24-2005, 08:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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this is a bodog hand history ??!!

seriously though, I get that type of hands ALOT on bodog, like im on button with ak, 5 limpers ahead of me, I make it 6bb to go and get 5 calls total.

what to do on a flop of k 56 two diamons when someone put a 5 bb bet out in front and they all call ?? or if they all check ?

I usually fire one strong bullet, like 3/4 the pot and if I get calls I go in check call mode. and huge bets after that and I fold.

its hard, and u take ALOT of beats. but very profitable.
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Old 10-24-2005, 11:11 PM #4 (permalink)  

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bet half the pot after the flop ... this will almost certainly win the pot if you have top pair... be aware that some players will put u on AK so they will call you down with their lower pocket pair
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