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Old 02-27-2006, 09:38 PM     Post subject: Fold my overpair on the river? #1 (permalink)  
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Opp is an average TAGG. Not the best of players.

Your move..

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Hand #218832639 at table: Table TH 363
Started: Mon Feb 27 22:34:45 2006

blazin baz is at seat 1 with 52.30
SuprTroy22 is at seat 2 with 86.25
asko71 is at seat 3 with 127.40
Grant Hill is at seat 4 with 106.05
Millcape is at seat 5 with 122.20
All-in4Fun is at seat 6 with 99.00
mr_rossi is at seat 7 with 174.05
ezmny 102 is at seat 8 with 32.00
frau is at seat 9 with 63.55
Pieohpah is at seat 10 with 29.65

asko71 posts the large blind 1.00
SuprTroy22 posts the small blind 0.50

SuprTroy22: --, --
asko71: --, --
Grant Hill: --, --
Millcape: --, --
All-in4Fun: Qd, Qh
mr_rossi: --, --
ezmny 102: --, --
frau: --, --
Pieohpah: --, --
blazin baz: --, --

Pre-flop:

Grant Hill: Raise 4.00
Millcape: Fold
All-in4Fun: Raise 10.00
mr_rossi: Fold
ezmny 102: Fold
frau: Fold
Pieohpah: Fold
blazin baz: Fold
SuprTroy22: Fold
asko71: Fold
Grant Hill: Call 10.00

Flop (Board: 8h, 4s, 4c):

Grant Hill: Check
All-in4Fun: Bet 10.00
Grant Hill: Call 10.00

Turn (Board: 8h, 4s, 4c, 3h):

Grant Hill: Check
All-in4Fun: Bet 25.00
Grant Hill: Call 25.00

River (Board: 8h, 4s, 4c, 3h, 10s):

Grant Hill: All in
All-in4Fun: ???
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Old 02-27-2006, 09:47 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I would just call this pre-flop.

On the river I would lay this down.
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Old 02-27-2006, 09:50 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Tough spot. He clearly has a pocket pair of some sort, and I don't think he has 99 or JJ that often here. I'd love to say I'd fold this, but i can't always find them when the pot gets big.
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Old 02-27-2006, 09:54 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I reraise so I can hopefully work out the difference between AA/KK and the rest of the raising range. Thats why my bet size increaces on the turn. I'm getting confident This guy has JJ/TT.

Why do you call?
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Why do you call?
I'm not that keen on QQ vs this guy's raising range UTG without any other information. I want to keep the pot under control, see a flop and a c-bet size.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:19 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I know that Grant Hill dude, he was NIT on $50NL, I'd not be surprised if you see a boat here or risky smoothcall of AA/KK but I opt for boat. You can't even count on busted draw because flop was drawless and
Grant Hill doesn't call a huge turn bets with come hands and he is smatr enough to sniff that his JJ might not be good. Against him I'd check behind turn and called medium bet on that river.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:29 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I know that Grant Hill dude, he was NIT on $50NL, I'd not be surprised if you see a boat here or risky smoothcall of AA/KK but I opt for boat. You can't even count on busted draw because flop was drawless and
Grant Hill doesn't call a huge turn bets with come hands and he is smatr enough to sniff that his JJ might not be good. Against him I'd check behind turn and called medium bet on that river.
With that read, I give him the absolute least action I can muster. Quite often when a nit calls me post-flop, I'm losing the pot unless I suck out or flopped a nut-like hand. It's just a matter of how big of a pot I want to lose. Heck, if he's nitty enough pre-flop there is merit in just folding or playing set.

There are a couple really really nitty multi-tablers in the PS100 and I get the hell out of their way all the time. PT has me up a bit against both of them. I think it's because they try to play set against me and almost never play their blinds. I also think both are overall winners in that game.
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:10 PM #8 (permalink)  
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im getting an idea of what nit means but ive never heard it before. What exactly does it mean?
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"Nit" is a tight, predictable, "camping for nuts" player with some kind of "table coaching" tendencies. His starting hand range is really narrow but he also has problems with laying down big pairs and complains when they get cracked.
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"Nit" is a tight, predictable, "camping for nuts" player
You can stop right there. For what it's worth, most nits know enough to STFU at the table.

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some kind of "table coaching" tendencies.
While there is sometimes overlap, I think the whole table coach thing is a different dynamic. The table coach is trying to play well and show others he plays well. The nit is just playing really tight and predictable poker.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:23 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I know that Grant Hill dude, he was NIT on $50NL, I'd not be surprised if you see a boat here or risky smoothcall of AA/KK but I opt for boat. You can't even count on busted draw because flop was drawless and
Grant Hill doesn't call a huge turn bets with come hands and he is smatr enough to sniff that his JJ might not be good. Against him I'd check behind turn and called medium bet on that river.
I really need to stop playing 5 tables and reading FTR at the same time.

I folded the river. Thanks all.
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