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Old 02-06-2006, 06:18 PM     Post subject: Fold JJ preflop? #1 (permalink)  
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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 06, 14:14:55 EDT 2006
Table Table 65164 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: Monty_Boy ( $132.76 )
Seat 4: z4nd3r ( $24.85 )
Seat 7: Two_Orange ( $34.90 )
Seat 8: JohnConor ( $17.85 )
Seat 5: THRURAVEN ( $31.85 )
Seat 2: Tombstone12 ( $9.65 )
Seat 9: toughguy__ ( $10.10 )
Seat 10: repoman85 ( $10.76 )
Seat 6: TubbyWon ( $24.75 )
Seat 1: danton41752 ( $25 )
Monty_Boy posts small blind [$0.10].
THRURAVEN posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Two_Orange [ Jc Jd ]
TubbyWon folds.
Two_Orange raises [$1].
JohnConor folds.
toughguy__ raises [$2].
repoman85 folds.
danton41752 folds.
Tombstone12 folds.
Monty_Boy folds.
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THRURAVEN raises [$3.75].
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I say its fairly certain there is a QQ, KK, or AA out there, the question is can you get away with calling for sets.

Fold because toughguy is short stacked and he's gonna want to gambOOl preflop and you don't want to be all in with JJ.

Anybody in the mood to push?
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I agree, if it weren't for toughguy's short stack, I'd cold call and hope for the set, definitely some good implied odds there. But there's no way you can call anybody's all in with JJ.
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Old 02-06-2006, 07:25 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yea just what I was gonna say. Play for set value.
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Old 02-06-2006, 08:32 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 yeah the bigger stack has about 10x or his bet left, giving youi proper implied odds. Plus the chance he could have ak and you dominate him when he misses the flop.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:41 PM #6 (permalink)  
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the problem here is that toughguy acts after you and he could easily push (which i would expect him to do).

If he was to act before you and just called then I would call and hope to hit a set.

So I believe folding would be the best choice here.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
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And what if i had QQ or KK?
 
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:01 PM #8 (permalink)  
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KK I push.

QQ I either push or fold. If the avrage player at these tables is looseish then I push. If they're tight I fold. Most likely I'm folding.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:23 PM #9 (permalink)  
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