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Old 06-14-2006, 06:56 PM     Post subject: Fold AA to push on T86-flop? #1 (permalink)  
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Hold'em NL (£0.15/£0.25) Ring game

CO (£6.30 in chips)
Button (£20.88 in chips)
SB (£14.20 in chips)
BB (£25 in chips)
UTG (£35.85 in chips)
UTG+1 (£39.60 in chips)
UTG+2 (£25 in chips)
MP1 (£31.10 in chips)
MP2 (£45.37 in chips)
Hero (£30.85 in chips) MP3


SB posts £0.15
BB posts £0.25

dealt to Hero :Ac::Ah:

UTG: calls £0.25
2 folds
MP1: calls £0.25
MP2: folds
Hero: raises to £1.50
4 folds
UTG: calls £1.25
MP1: calls £1.25

----- FLOP ----- :Th:

UTG: checks
MP1: checks
Hero: bets £4
UTG: folds
MP1: raises to £29.60 and is all-in
Hero:

PT-Read MP1: Loose-Aggr./Aggr., PFR 21.6, 407 hands
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Vol.Put $ in pot? I'm not folding! If he has a set which i doubt so be it...
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:34 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'm folding but I'd like to hear some other responses.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Any read from previous hands with him at the table? Had he been raising other people's bets much post-flop?
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I'm folding but I'd like to hear some other responses.
Standard to a check raise?
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I gamble here, particularly given the opponent.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:42 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 What are you ahead of that would make this play? A flushdraw? I would fold here to this c/r overbet. Limp/call check/raise.... set anybody? 66?

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Old 06-14-2006, 09:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
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set anybody? 66?
I agree if our opponent was something like 12/2
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:46 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I gamble here, particularly given the opponent.
Doesn't this seem like a way behind/ barely ahead situation to you?
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:47 PM #10 (permalink)  
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What are you ahead of that would make this play? A flushdraw? I would fold here to this c/r overbet. Limp/call check/raise.... set anybody? 66?
A flush draw, AT, QhJh, QQ, JJ, and 99, and not that far behind T8 or 86. It's a real grey area, for me this almost always comes down to how he has been playing post-flop in previous hands. His aggro tendencies tell me he's at least capable of doing this with weaker hands, but I'd like to have seen him do it recently before committing.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:48 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Vol.Put $ in pot? I'm not folding! If he has a set which i doubt so be it...
PT says: Vol.Put $ in pot = 36.61 for 407 hands

He earlier played Q9 to the end on a QT6 8 2 board and lost a 55£ pot to my QT two pair.
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Old 06-14-2006, 10:32 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I'm with Fnord here, fold against nit and call LAG.
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Old 06-15-2006, 08:13 PM     Post subject: Re: Fold AA to push on T86-flop? #13 (permalink)  
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Hold'em NL (£0.15/£0.25) Ring game

CO (£6.30 in chips)
Button (£20.88 in chips)
SB (£14.20 in chips)
BB (£25 in chips)
UTG (£35.85 in chips)
UTG+1 (£39.60 in chips)
UTG+2 (£25 in chips)
MP1 (£31.10 in chips)
MP2 (£45.37 in chips)
Hero (£30.85 in chips) MP3


SB posts £0.15
BB posts £0.25

dealt to Hero :Ac::Ah:

UTG: calls £0.25
2 folds
MP1: calls £0.25
MP2: folds
Hero: raises to £1.50
4 folds
UTG: calls £1.25
MP1: calls £1.25

----- FLOP ----- :Th:

UTG: checks
MP1: checks
Hero: bets £4
UTG: folds
MP1: raises to £29.60 and is all-in
Hero: calls and is all-in £25.35
Returned uncalled bets £0.25 to MP1

----- TURN ----- :Kd:
----- RIVER -----

----- SHOW DOWN -----
MP1: shows (A Straight, Ten high)
Hero: shows :Ac::Ah: (A Pair of Aces)
MP1 collects £60.60 from Main pot

So I walked straight into it. Nice play from my opponent I would say.
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Old 06-15-2006, 08:34 PM #14 (permalink)  
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I would fold this faster than a nuns legs.
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Old 06-16-2006, 08:48 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I would fold this faster than a nuns legs.
I wish I had done so too
Do you fold due to the size of his raise or just the fact that he raised?
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Old 06-16-2006, 09:15 AM #16 (permalink)  
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 I fold because a) I'm a nit. b) I have the A of heart, making an aggro flush draw AI less likely. c) He's recently played mediocre holdings out to the river for big pots, why does he suddenly become a fire-breathing monster on the flop? d) 3-to-2 with an overpair on this board is just not doing it for me. e) I read the results

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Sort of spoils it now that the results are already posted, but I was going to just say that since Hero had the A of hearts, if villain were to push with a flush draw he wouldn't even be drawing to the nut flush. I don't think it's likely villain would push WITHOUT the nut flush draw, if he were to push with the flush draw at all. But that's me. I don't think you need to look too far past the obvious at 25nl.
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Old 06-16-2006, 10:17 AM #18 (permalink)  
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 I probably woulda called too.
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Old 06-16-2006, 10:47 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Sort of spoils it now that the results are already posted, but I was going to just say that since Hero had the A of hearts, if villain were to push with a flush draw he wouldn't even be drawing to the nut flush. I don't think it's likely villain would push WITHOUT the nut flush draw, if he were to push with the flush draw at all. But that's me. I don't think you need to look too far past the obvious at 25nl.
Actually the A is a good point that I didn't think enough about during play. My thought was that I actually had a possible backdoor nutflush to strengthen my hand a little bit more if he had two pair for instance and I needed to improve. I have seen many people push with Q5s (etc.) on flush draws like this at this level, that I thought he was on a draw anyway.
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Old 06-16-2006, 03:02 PM #20 (permalink)  
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I don't think the Ah really matters here except that it gives you about one extra out in the form of the backdoor draw. We know that he actually limp-called with 79s; clearly he's quite likely to be in there with two hearts, whether or not one of them is an ace, and he could easily make this play with 7h5h, Jh9h, Qh9h, Kh9h, or JhQh. In fact *I* would make this play with many of those hands, and I'm not all that LAggy.
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Old 06-16-2006, 03:16 PM #21 (permalink)  
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Whats his Agg factor postflop?
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