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Old 05-09-2006, 05:53 AM     Post subject: Fold or $$$$$$? #1 (permalink)  
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Am I smoked or did I catch? If you can fold this, where.

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BB ($94)
UTG ($142.30)
Hero ($101.80)
UTG+2 ($376.53)
MP1 ($287.40)
MP2 ($101.80)
MP3 ($99)
CO ($100)
Button ($128.62)
SB ($110.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 3, 3. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, CO raises to $4, Button calls $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($17) A, K, K (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($17) 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8, Button folds, SB raises to $16, Hero calls $8, CO calls $8.

River: ($65) Q (3 players)
SB bets $25, Hero raises to $50, CO calls $80 (All-In), SB calls $65.30 (All-In), Hero calls $31.80 (All-In).

Final Pot: $317.10
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Old 05-09-2006, 06:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I think that you are beat.

re-raise his min raise on the turn.

As played just call the $25 river bet and fold to a push behind. Too many PFR hands have a higher boat here.
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Old 05-09-2006, 06:04 AM     Post subject: Re: Fold or $$$$$$? #3 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strung
Am I smoked or did I catch? If you can fold this, where.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($94)
UTG ($142.30)
Hero ($101.80)
UTG+2 ($376.53)
MP1 ($287.40)
MP2 ($101.80)
MP3 ($99)
CO ($100)
Button ($128.62)
SB ($110.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 3, 3. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, CO raises to $4, Button calls $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($17) A, K, K (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($17) 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8, Button folds, SB raises to $16, Hero calls $8, CO calls $8.

River: ($65) Q (3 players)
SB bets $25, Hero raises to $50, CO calls $80 (All-In), SB calls $65.30 (All-In), Hero calls $31.80 (All-In).

Final Pot: $317.10
omg i hate this hand lol. well AA, AK, KQ are likely given the action. it looks like you're beat on the river after the 3-bet AI and the call AI (CO's action scares me the most).
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Old 05-09-2006, 06:12 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Fold the flop.

In all seriousness, I have no idea. SB could easily have AK, KQ, KJ, Kx.. CO could be heart draw (what's he raising with though? JhTh? AA seems very possible. Watch the person not acting, they can be the dangerous one.) With the little information that you have, it's tough. No card on the river is likely to hurt you (unless it fills up a Kx boat, or an A or K falls). That fact might make you drop the hammer on the turn. But you also want to extract maximum value from CO here and give another cheap chance for a heart to fall (if that's what you put him on). Actually, I'm not so sure any of them are on a heart draw.

I have no idea what you could do differently, other than maybe call down the river, but that seems too weakish.
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Old 05-09-2006, 11:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 By CO checking the flop it makes me think he hit it good. AA or AK perhaps. The turn either stacks you or stacks him, and judging by the action, I think the turn stacked you. This is assuming they're both not fish.

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Old 05-09-2006, 12:33 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I also think you're smoked here...CO's hand is good
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:26 PM #7 (permalink)  
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CO flopped a monster house obviously. Second smooth call behind on turn should have spun you into check/fold mode on river, especially since the other guy rivered QQQKK. LMAO

Hero bets $8, CO calls $8 and gets a little tingly inside, Button folds, SB raises to $16, Hero calls $8, CO calls another $8 and loves life with one street to go. Danger... Danger, all players with pitiful full houses retreat!

Good players fold this every time. I think maybe that was your question in some strange watch me get slaughtered like livestock sort of way. Moooooo
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Old 05-09-2006, 02:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I cold-call the river, no raise, and might fold to any major raise after the first bet. There are way too many plausible hands ahead of you here, including AA, AK, KQ, and QQ. You're in a raised pot with four players... worst possible boat isn't too likely to hold up on that board, given the action. I'm already starting to feel queasy after the turn action and then the leadout bet on the river would cement it, especially given what the river card was.
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Old 05-09-2006, 02:46 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 The full house effect set in... it sure is hard to fold a boat...

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Old 05-09-2006, 04:05 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I think I'm going to take awhile off of poker. I thought and thought after this hand and I decided I'm not playing very well right now. I totally should of folded this but I didn't for some reason. My usual warning bells aren't going off. The turn action should of been it, especially with the PFR's. The funny thing about this hand is I was beat by not one but TWO AK hands. Yes both players had AK. Ain't that a kick to the nuts.
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Old 05-09-2006, 04:19 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Yeah, yeah. After reading other's thoughts I agree with them. My first post was just thinking out loud. But the more I saw it the more I was sure you were beat. It's really tough to lay down a boat.

I'm really glad you posted this hand, by the way. I feel like my warning bells should have been going off as I was reading it, but it didn't until after I had thought through it about 10 times, and by then I would have made the same play you did. Hopefully, if this ever happens to one of us again, we make the correct play
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Old 05-09-2006, 05:46 PM #12 (permalink)  
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No worries. It is easy to get blinded by a set and even more so by a FH.

I would have been pretty happy with the turn but the lead out on the river would have scared the piss outa me. By that time there is just too many hands ahead of me to think I am still good and the SB is confirming that with his bet (after a c/r on the turn).
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