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samsonite2100
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05-08-2006, 04:49 PM
Post subject: Flushes scare me
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Bodog 50NL. Hero has 7h7c on the button.
PF action--UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25. Two folds, UTG calls. Pot=$5.25
Flop--Js 9s 7s. UTG checks. Hero bets $4. UTG raises to $8. Hero calls.
Turn--UTG bets $.50. Hero calls.
River--UTG bets $.50. Hero calls.
Okay, so I'm not proud of this hand. I know one of my leaks as a player is being overly frightened of flushy boards and this is just a particularly egregious example. Still, where should I have bet and how much? If I bet, say, 2/3 on the turn and get called, do I just check/call down the river?
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gabe
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i would be more scared of the flush if the pot wasn't raised preflop. since you did raise, i would be happy getting alot more moner in on the flop.
after he minraises, i reraise to $20.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by gabe
after he minraises, i reraise to $20.
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This is my line as well.
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samsonite2100
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And if he pushes over your 3bet, do you fold then?
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gabe
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no
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Renton
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no you are getting the right odds at that point to chase your boat.
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samsonite2100
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Reasoning?
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samsonite2100
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Sorry, Rents--Posted before I saw your answer.
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Renton
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i know it seems like a weak response but its true. Its really just a shitty situation. Usually they won't push though. They will call and check the turn, and BINGO, you get a free card (or you bet if you think they are chasing with the A high flush draw).
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Flushes scare me too.. However you cant always put your opponent on a flush. Look to control the pot and get your boat by the river. If you flop a flush how do you play it? You raised preflop, you could have the Ace of spades. Start looking at how many outs you have to beat a flush, its 1 for four of a kind and 6 for the turn and river (7 outs). By the river you have 10 because of an extra card to pair the turn. You are looking at things in a negative way from the get go with a suited flop. If your opponent has a flush let him check it if you have position and check behind. Get your money in there when you hit or value bet the river, I check raise the river on a four flush board. If they scare you so much and you think they have one .. Why bet and piss the dude off to either bluff you or think you caught something? Check it , they check it.. They bet the turn , u get the right odds call... You hit, or you miss... End of hand.. You will hit your set on a rainbow... But dont ask for that to happen everytime.. It doesnt.
personal thoughts-
I swear every board on PP is monotone or someone has flopped a four flush... Luckily flushaphobia for me doesnt scare me much anymore.
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Stripclubjunkie
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How often does he have a made flush here?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Stripclubjunkie
How often does he have a made flush here?
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very but its kinda irrelevant
you have 30% equity vs this hand so he has to have it a very large percentage of the time (65%) for a call to be bad ev.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Renton
i know it seems like a weak response but its true. Its really just a shitty situation. Usually they won't push though. They will call and check the turn, and BINGO, you get a free card (or you bet if you think they are chasing with the A high flush draw).
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if they call the flop i'm only taking a free card if the turn is a spade
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Renton
i know it seems like a weak response but its true. Its really just a shitty situation. Usually they won't push though. They will call and check the turn, and BINGO, you get a free card (or you bet if you think they are chasing with the A high flush draw).
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if they call the flop i'm only taking a free card if the turn is a spade |
you are THAT willing to stack off with set on a flush board?
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Stripclubjunkie
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by Stripclubjunkie
How often does he have a made flush here?
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very but its kinda irrelevant
you have 30% equity vs this hand so he has to have it a very large percentage of the time (65%) for a call to be bad ev. |
You rule renton 
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gabe
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im willing to take KJ's money.
this is alot different if the pot is unraised preflop, though. then i would be more cautious.
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gabe
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also, since their most likely hand is a big spade (after they call), i dont want them to get a free card
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samsonite2100
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Gabe--why does it make such a difference whether the pot was raised PF? People less likely to be limping SCs and SGs?
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STIdrivr
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The chance to flop a flush with 2 suited cards is .84% or 118/1. It doesnt mean this is the chance someone flopped a flush on a suited flop though. If there are more people in the pot there is a better chance someone did flop a flush and im sure in a limped pot there is a higher chance because people like to limp with suited connecting cards. In a raised pot the suited hands can be narrowed down more to like AKs AQs and maybe AJs or KQs
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Gabe--why does it make such a difference whether the pot was raised PF? People less likely to be limping SCs and SGs?
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I'll try to answer that question:
Size of the pot (and size of subsequent bets) gives less room to get away from non-nut but still strong hands (like set or straight on flushed board).
In unraised pot the ratio money behind /pot is higher and there is more bets and raises possible and more info (true or false) about opponent's hand.
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