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Iwind
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09-26-2005, 10:35 PM
Post subject: Flush/straight draws and bets/raises
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Norway
Posts: 436
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Quite often I make a 0,75-1$ raise with AQ/AK/KQ/QQ/JJ and get 2-3 callers. I play 25NL.
Quite often the board flops with one of the cards I need(in the AQ/AK,KQ case) or a lot of low cards in the QQ/JJ case, and two cards that are suited. Would you in this case raise more than in other situations to stop people from calling that are looking for good pot odds for a draw? And how much do you raise? Pot will be 3-4$ somewhere with these callers. I'm talking about being in middle or early position having people behind me, those behind me could also sit there with sets of course, and cause of this I don't like putting too much money in the bet either. I have the same trouble when two of the cards are connected and don't want to give those drawing for straight good pot odds.
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renegaderob1
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 311
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I play the same limits and quite often I find myself in the same situation. If I think I am ahead, I will definately overbet the pot and pay of any sets (If the pot is $3-4 I'll probably bet $6-9).
Quite often you will get chasers anyway, the other day I was in a four-way pot where I hit my set on a board that had 9,4,6 rainbow (i had the 6's). The guy UTG, who was the biggest fish I'd played with yet, pushed (he had 36o), so I happily pushed my whole stack in thinking unless somebody hit a set of 9s, I am way ahead, only to get the two guys behind me also push (they had KK and JJ). Fishy caught his runner-runner straight to take away a $100 pot - which he then lost most of in the next couple of orbits.
Few orbits later, same situation except it was a 3-way pot. Once again fishy pushed all in on a draw, but this time I got my full house and got my money back and then some (and of course buddy listed him cos he was putting money into the pot 73% of the time!).
All you can really do is give them bad odds and hope they don't hit or that any callers are way behind. A large overbet will usually get rid of at least a couple of people anyway (at least they do on the tables I've been at)...
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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If i think im ahead post flop and ive raised and had callers call my raise then id probably hit out with a pot bet if their are active draws (flush/straight draw) While it makes it difficult to put opp on something at times (if i catch an overpair or tpgk and im up against a set for example) imo you will win more pots there and then through aggressive post flop play than you will trying to toy with opps. If the turn is blank im probably going for a pot sized bet again (any better hands will come straight back at you here)
Basically i try to figure out what my opps are prepared to call my preflop raises with and then act acordingly, so post flop against 3 opps means im hitting the flop hard while HU against a weaker opp i may allow cheaper cards in the hope of catching opp with weaker hand (this type of play has its dangers of course)
If there are bets in front of me that look like draw bets of some kind then im reraising big enough that opp is going to have to commit a fair amount of his stackto see any more cards.
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johnny_fish
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: donkaments weeeeeeeeeeee
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I try to bet 0.6-0.7 of the pot when it's uncoordinated and 1-1.2 pot when there are draws.. If I'm the preflop raiser I put out this bet no matter if I hit or not. I think this way I get enough information, I give bad odds for chasers and it's not too expensive if a better hand comes back at me. I'm not adjusting bet size to # of opps left, also I don't really take position in account.. I know I probably should.
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