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FlopTurnThenRivered
Old 09-27-2006, 05:53 AM     Post subject: Flush over Flush problems #1 (permalink)  

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Lately it seems when my flushes complete, I am constantly running into higher flushes and it's costing me big. Here's a couple hands that cost me my stack, I'm wondering if these are hands I should've been able to get away from, or is this just a part of variance?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($9.25)
Button ($5.50)
SB ($13.35)
Hero ($12.85)
UTG ($14.30)
UTG+1 ($4.30)
MP1 ($8.90)
MP2 ($10)
MP3 ($12.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.65) 9, 2, T (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.5, MP3 calls $0.50, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($2.15) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.5, MP3 raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, MP1 calls $1.

River: ($6.65) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets $2, Hero raises to $5, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to $10.05, Hero calls $5.05.

Final Pot: $26.75

Results in white below:
Hero has 2h 8h (flush, ten high).
MP3 has Ah 3h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins $26.75.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($6.05)
Hero ($10)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($5.85)
MP1 ($16.75)
MP2 ($5.90)
MP3 ($16.65)
CO ($13.30)
Button ($7.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 6.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.45) 7, J, 2 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.3, UTG+1 calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30, Button folds.

Turn: ($1.35) A (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.5, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $1.6, UTG+1 raises to $5.45, Hero calls $3.85.

River: ($12.25) 6 (2 players)

Final Pot: $12.25

Results in white below:
Hero has Jc 6c (flush, ace high).
UTG+1 has Tc Qc (flush, ace high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $12.25.

The second hand IMO seems to just be a part of variance, but should I have been able to get away from hand 1?
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Old 09-27-2006, 05:57 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Just flat call on river hand 1...
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Old 09-27-2006, 06:06 AM #3 (permalink)  

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Chasing this draw made sense though, correct? I agree I should've flat called, as played though I really didn't put him on a flush. His raise on the turn is a strange play.
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Old 09-27-2006, 06:11 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by FlopTurnThenRivered
Chasing this draw made sense though, correct? I agree I should've flat called, as played though I really didn't put him on a flush. His raise on the turn is a strange play.

Eh I dont know about chasing an 8 high flush draw with the 2, hands like this always get me in more trouble then good. Say he has 108 or 98 stuff like this.

Ive seen players raise flush draws on the turn. It wasn't played that badly on ur part though you just tried repping the flush for more value and got screwed. It happens.
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Old 09-27-2006, 06:15 AM #5 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the heads up. After this hand I started being quite a bit more concious of others drawing when I'm on a weak flush or straight draw. The bit about these hands getting one in more trouble than good couldn't be more true..
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Old 09-27-2006, 06:20 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Yeah if your against decent players who will only call with a better hand just check call the river, unless ur against ur typical donk who calls with a weak ace on the river then u can bet them for value .


U know the type loose/passive/call stations
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Old 09-27-2006, 11:44 PM #7 (permalink)  

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Sure do, thanks for the help.
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