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wolfofruby
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09-19-2005, 04:06 PM
Post subject: flush draw with AA
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#1 (permalink)
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 17
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no limit $1/$2
me : AcAs utg $350 stack
p1 : QQ middle $ 300
p2 : Kc Tc late $ 150
i raise it to $7 before the flop, p1 and p2 both call. the flop is :
2c Qc 7c
i have the nut flush draw and no position. How would you play this hand ? I think a bet is obvious but a raise can put me out of the hand. Is a check a alternative play or not ??
here's, what happened :
i bet $18 in the $32 pot. p1 raise to $40. p2 goes all in for $143.
I fold. p1 call. p2 won with his flush. no clubs on the turn and river
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
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I think you get bet out of this hand every time. No way to fight it. Congratulations on your divorce. I don't know a lot of people who would drop AA with nut flush draw on that board. It's very tempting. Almost delicious.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Checkways
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09-20-2005, 07:05 AM
Post subject: Re: flush draw with AA
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#3 (permalink)
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 249
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by wolfofruby
no limit $1/$2
me : AcAs utg $350 stack
p1 : QQ middle $ 300
p2 : Kc Tc late $ 150
i raise it to $7 before the flop, p1 and p2 both call. the flop is :
2c Qc 7c
i have the nut flush draw and no position. How would you play this hand ? I think a bet is obvious but a raise can put me out of the hand. Is a check a alternative play or not ??
here's, what happened :
i bet $18 in the $32 pot. p1 raise to $40. p2 goes all in for $143.
I fold. p1 call. p2 won with his flush. no clubs on the turn and river
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I think u played it right even if the fourth club had came out. Good thing that P2 didn't milk you for more chips and gave u an easy laydown.
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wolfofruby
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 17
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thanks guys for your answers
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Pingviini
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Bangkok
Posts: 1,090
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Well played. The right way to play is not dependant of the results in this kind of hand.
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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Fortune 500
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bluffalupagus
Posts: 1,261
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Nice, tough laydown
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The University of TEXAS at Austin
Posts: 2,237
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If he knew that P1 would be calling, wouldn't he have correct odds to go ahead and chase for a flush, assuming his pair of aces wasn't ahead?
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mxiu
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 982
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
If he knew that P1 would be calling, wouldn't he have correct odds to go ahead and chase for a flush, assuming his pair of aces wasn't ahead?
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I would like this question answered.
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krimson
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 108
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
If he knew that P1 would be calling, wouldn't he have correct odds to go ahead and chase for a flush, assuming his pair of aces wasn't ahead?
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Knowing the hands of both P1 and P2 the answer is no, since P1 has a draw to a full house.
Of the 43*42/2 = 903 pairs of cards to come on the turn and river 8*42 - 8*7/2 = 308 will give Hero the nut flush. But in 8*10 = 80 cases it's beaten by P1's boat (or quads), while in 1 case it's beaten by a straight flush.
In addition 1 + 2*7 = 15 pairs will give Hero the nut full house or quads, but in 2 cases it is beaten by quad queens.
So in total Hero will win in 240 cases, so has probaility 240/903 = 0,2658 of winning.
On the other hand Hero has to call 125, and if P1 calls then the final main pot is 461, giving pot odds of 125/461 = 0,271.
Hence it is a very marginal fold. Facing a flush and a set is pretty much the worst case scenarion though, so I'm guessing that Hero would have pot odds if P2 called with two pair or so (not very likely perhaps). But if we take into account that P2 might push and create a side pot the odds become much worse.
If P1 folds then with the extra dead money in the pot it is again a very marginal fold.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
Posts: 8,181
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I think you made a good play.
You bet trying to win the pot and big money gets put in behind you.
We all have to remember that AA gets beat sometimes and to put it down here is good and the right play.
While you are out of position i think its worth betting here to make others make tough choices, as it is there are big hands behind you. Checking imo leaves you in a difficult position once money gets put in behind you.
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