Flush beaten?

**mike2405** · 07-16-2007 05:45 PM

No real reads on either.

Seat 1: Charlynn ($20.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Pokekunu ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 3: myhken2 ($25.47 in chips)
Seat 4: __sp__ sits out
Seat 5: Nabonov ($76.65 in chips)
Seat 6: the-tower sits out
Seat 7: BMWyeah ($40.85 in chips)
Seat 8: Hostile17 ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 9: mike2405 ($69.30 in chips)
Seat 10: Dodger015 ($34.20 in chips)
Charlynn: posts small blind $0.25
Pokekunu: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to mike2405 [7h 8h]
myhken2: folds
Nabonov: folds
BMWyeah: calls $0.50
Hostile17: folds
mike2405: calls $0.50
Dodger015: calls $0.50
Charlynn: calls $0.25
Pokekunu: checks
----- FLOP ----- [Jh Qh 8d]
Charlynn: checks
Pokekunu: checks
BMWyeah: bets $1
mike2405: raises to $3.50
Dodger015: calls $3.50
Charlynn: folds
Pokekunu: folds
BMWyeah: calls $2.50
----- TURN ----- [Jh Qh 8d][5s]
BMWyeah: checks
mike2405: checks
Dodger015: bets $2
BMWyeah: calls $2
mike2405: calls $2
----- RIVER ----- [Jh Qh 8d 5s][2h]
BMWyeah: checks
mike2405: bets $10
Dodger015: calls $10
BMWyeah: raises to $20
mike2405 ???

I reckon I have dodger015 beat, otherwise I'm sure he would have raised, but I think I'm beaten by BMWyeah by the way this hand has developed.

So 1) Am I beaten?
2) Even if I think I am, do you think I have good odds to call anyway?

**Rondavu** · 07-16-2007 05:53 PM

Fold unless you feel BMW is raising with less than a better flush for any reason 1/4th of the time. I would fold unless I felt this player was tricky in any way.

**Penfold** · 07-16-2007 06:29 PM

wtf this is such an easy call

**Penfold** · 07-16-2007 06:34 PM

you're getting 3:1 and you have a flush on a non paired board. this short stacked fish's range is much wider than a higher flush, including slowplayed straights and sets.

**Rondavu** · 07-19-2007 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Penfold

wtf this is such an easy call

Slowplayed straights and sets don't typically go berzerk in a multiway pot when a flush hits.

**Fnord** · 07-19-2007 08:12 PM

River is a min-raise right?

We're getting around 5:1.

You don't think we see 2 pairs or a worse flush every now and then?

07-16-2007 05:45 PM #1
mike2405 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2006 Posts 61	Flush beaten? No real reads on either. Seat 1: Charlynn ($20.25 in chips) Seat 2: Pokekunu ($12.50 in chips) Seat 3: myhken2 ($25.47 in chips) Seat 4: __sp__ sits out Seat 5: Nabonov ($76.65 in chips) Seat 6: the-tower sits out Seat 7: BMWyeah ($40.85 in chips) Seat 8: Hostile17 ($18.75 in chips) Seat 9: mike2405 ($69.30 in chips) Seat 10: Dodger015 ($34.20 in chips) Charlynn: posts small blind $0.25 Pokekunu: posts big blind $0.50 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to mike2405 [7h 8h] myhken2: folds Nabonov: folds BMWyeah: calls $0.50 Hostile17: folds mike2405: calls $0.50 Dodger015: calls $0.50 Charlynn: calls $0.25 Pokekunu: checks ----- FLOP ----- [Jh Qh 8d] Charlynn: checks Pokekunu: checks BMWyeah: bets $1 mike2405: raises to $3.50 Dodger015: calls $3.50 Charlynn: folds Pokekunu: folds BMWyeah: calls $2.50 ----- TURN ----- [Jh Qh 8d][5s] BMWyeah: checks mike2405: checks Dodger015: bets $2 BMWyeah: calls $2 mike2405: calls $2 ----- RIVER ----- [Jh Qh 8d 5s][2h] BMWyeah: checks mike2405: bets $10 Dodger015: calls $10 BMWyeah: raises to $20 mike2405 ??? I reckon I have dodger015 beat, otherwise I'm sure he would have raised, but I think I'm beaten by BMWyeah by the way this hand has developed. So 1) Am I beaten? 2) Even if I think I am, do you think I have good odds to call anyway?

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07-16-2007 05:53 PM #2
Rondavu View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2005 Posts 3,328	Fold unless you feel BMW is raising with less than a better flush for any reason 1/4th of the time. I would fold unless I felt this player was tricky in any way.
	It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside? Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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07-16-2007 06:29 PM #3
Penfold View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2007 Posts 109	wtf this is such an easy call

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07-16-2007 06:34 PM #4
Penfold View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2007 Posts 109	you're getting 3:1 and you have a flush on a non paired board. this short stacked fish's range is much wider than a higher flush, including slowplayed straights and sets.

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07-19-2007 06:25 PM #5
Rondavu View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2005 Posts 3,328	Originally Posted by Penfold wtf this is such an easy call Slowplayed straights and sets don't typically go berzerk in a multiway pot when a flush hits.
	It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside? Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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07-19-2007 08:12 PM #6
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,381 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	River is a min-raise right? We're getting around 5:1. You don't think we see 2 pairs or a worse flush every now and then?
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