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Old 02-26-2004, 03:56 PM     Post subject: Flush beat #1 (permalink)  
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Would appreciate any comments on the hand below. I lost on a flush to a full house. Maybe I was just outplayed, I didn't put him on a full house and after picking up a flush on the river felt I had to stick around. Perhaps a smaller raise or check would have been more appropriate


***** Hand History for Game 413565053 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Feb 25 02:08:28 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 3945 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yourstruly ( $25.30)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $19)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.15)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $57.75)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.60)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $37.10)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $19.85)
Seat 8: Player8 ( $137.35)
Seat 9: Player9 ( $8.25)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $29)
Player8 posts small blind (0.25)
Player9 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yourstruly [ 9h, 9d ]
Player10 folds.
Player3: ohhh man
Player3: ohhhh man
yourstruly raises (3) to 3
Player2 calls (3)
Player3 calls (3)
Player4 folds.
Player5 folds.
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Player8 folds.
Player9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6h, Kh ]
Player8: gotta love the river
yourstruly checks.
Player2 bets (0.50)
Player3 folds.
Player3: how about the turn and the river
yourstruly calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
Player8: ridiculous
yourstruly bets (2)
Player2 raises (4) to 4
yourstruly calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
yourstruly bets (4)
Player2 raises (8) to 8
yourstruly calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.05 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ Jh 6h Kh Kd Ah ]
yourstruly balance $9.80, lost $15.50 [ 9h 9d ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Jh,9h,6h ]
Player2 balance $36.55, bet $15.50, collected $33.05, net +$17.55 [ 6c 6s ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kh,Kd,6c,6s,6h ]
Player3 balance $3.15, lost $3 (folded)
Player4 balance $57.75, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $52.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $37.10, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player8 balance $137.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player9 balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player10 balance $29, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-26-2004, 03:56 PM     Post subject: Flush beat #2 (permalink)  
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Would appreciate any comments on the hand below. I lost on a flush to a full house. Maybe I was just outplayed, I didn't put him on a full house and after picking up a flush on the river felt I had to stick around. Perhaps a smaller raise or check would have been more appropriate


***** Hand History for Game 413565053 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Feb 25 02:08:28 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 3945 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yourstruly ( $25.30)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $19)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.15)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $57.75)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.60)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $37.10)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $19.85)
Seat 8: Player8 ( $137.35)
Seat 9: Player9 ( $8.25)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $29)
Player8 posts small blind (0.25)
Player9 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yourstruly [ 9h, 9d ]
Player10 folds.
Player3: ohhh man
Player3: ohhhh man
yourstruly raises (3) to 3
Player2 calls (3)
Player3 calls (3)
Player4 folds.
Player5 folds.
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Player8 folds.
Player9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6h, Kh ]
Player8: gotta love the river
yourstruly checks.
Player2 bets (0.50)
Player3 folds.
Player3: how about the turn and the river
yourstruly calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
Player8: ridiculous
yourstruly bets (2)
Player2 raises (4) to 4
yourstruly calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
yourstruly bets (4)
Player2 raises (8) to 8
yourstruly calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.05 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ Jh 6h Kh Kd Ah ]
yourstruly balance $9.80, lost $15.50 [ 9h 9d ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Jh,9h,6h ]
Player2 balance $36.55, bet $15.50, collected $33.05, net +$17.55 [ 6c 6s ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kh,Kd,6c,6s,6h ]
Player3 balance $3.15, lost $3 (folded)
Player4 balance $57.75, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $52.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $37.10, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player8 balance $137.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player9 balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player10 balance $29, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-26-2004, 03:56 PM     Post subject: Flush beat #3 (permalink)  
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Would appreciate any comments on the hand below. I lost on a flush to a full house. Maybe I was just outplayed, I didn't put him on a full house and after picking up a flush on the river felt I had to stick around. Perhaps a smaller raise or check would have been more appropriate


***** Hand History for Game 413565053 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Feb 25 02:08:28 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 3945 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yourstruly ( $25.30)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $19)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.15)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $57.75)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.60)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $37.10)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $19.85)
Seat 8: Player8 ( $137.35)
Seat 9: Player9 ( $8.25)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $29)
Player8 posts small blind (0.25)
Player9 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yourstruly [ 9h, 9d ]
Player10 folds.
Player3: ohhh man
Player3: ohhhh man
yourstruly raises (3) to 3
Player2 calls (3)
Player3 calls (3)
Player4 folds.
Player5 folds.
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Player8 folds.
Player9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6h, Kh ]
Player8: gotta love the river
yourstruly checks.
Player2 bets (0.50)
Player3 folds.
Player3: how about the turn and the river
yourstruly calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
Player8: ridiculous
yourstruly bets (2)
Player2 raises (4) to 4
yourstruly calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
yourstruly bets (4)
Player2 raises (8) to 8
yourstruly calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.05 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ Jh 6h Kh Kd Ah ]
yourstruly balance $9.80, lost $15.50 [ 9h 9d ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Jh,9h,6h ]
Player2 balance $36.55, bet $15.50, collected $33.05, net +$17.55 [ 6c 6s ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kh,Kd,6c,6s,6h ]
Player3 balance $3.15, lost $3 (folded)
Player4 balance $57.75, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $52.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $37.10, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player8 balance $137.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player9 balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player10 balance $29, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-26-2004, 03:56 PM     Post subject: Flush beat #4 (permalink)  
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Would appreciate any comments on the hand below. I lost on a flush to a full house. Maybe I was just outplayed, I didn't put him on a full house and after picking up a flush on the river felt I had to stick around. Perhaps a smaller raise or check would have been more appropriate


***** Hand History for Game 413565053 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Feb 25 02:08:28 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 3945 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yourstruly ( $25.30)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $19)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.15)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $57.75)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.60)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $37.10)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $19.85)
Seat 8: Player8 ( $137.35)
Seat 9: Player9 ( $8.25)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $29)
Player8 posts small blind (0.25)
Player9 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yourstruly [ 9h, 9d ]
Player10 folds.
Player3: ohhh man
Player3: ohhhh man
yourstruly raises (3) to 3
Player2 calls (3)
Player3 calls (3)
Player4 folds.
Player5 folds.
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Player8 folds.
Player9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6h, Kh ]
Player8: gotta love the river
yourstruly checks.
Player2 bets (0.50)
Player3 folds.
Player3: how about the turn and the river
yourstruly calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
Player8: ridiculous
yourstruly bets (2)
Player2 raises (4) to 4
yourstruly calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
yourstruly bets (4)
Player2 raises (8) to 8
yourstruly calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.05 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ Jh 6h Kh Kd Ah ]
yourstruly balance $9.80, lost $15.50 [ 9h 9d ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Jh,9h,6h ]
Player2 balance $36.55, bet $15.50, collected $33.05, net +$17.55 [ 6c 6s ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kh,Kd,6c,6s,6h ]
Player3 balance $3.15, lost $3 (folded)
Player4 balance $57.75, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $52.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $37.10, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player8 balance $137.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player9 balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player10 balance $29, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-26-2004, 03:56 PM     Post subject: Flush beat #5 (permalink)  
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Would appreciate any comments on the hand below. I lost on a flush to a full house. Maybe I was just outplayed, I didn't put him on a full house and after picking up a flush on the river felt I had to stick around. Perhaps a smaller raise or check would have been more appropriate


***** Hand History for Game 413565053 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Feb 25 02:08:28 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 3945 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yourstruly ( $25.30)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $19)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.15)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $57.75)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.60)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $37.10)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $19.85)
Seat 8: Player8 ( $137.35)
Seat 9: Player9 ( $8.25)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $29)
Player8 posts small blind (0.25)
Player9 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yourstruly [ 9h, 9d ]
Player10 folds.
Player3: ohhh man
Player3: ohhhh man
yourstruly raises (3) to 3
Player2 calls (3)
Player3 calls (3)
Player4 folds.
Player5 folds.
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Player8 folds.
Player9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6h, Kh ]
Player8: gotta love the river
yourstruly checks.
Player2 bets (0.50)
Player3 folds.
Player3: how about the turn and the river
yourstruly calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
Player8: ridiculous
yourstruly bets (2)
Player2 raises (4) to 4
yourstruly calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
yourstruly bets (4)
Player2 raises (8) to 8
yourstruly calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.05 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ Jh 6h Kh Kd Ah ]
yourstruly balance $9.80, lost $15.50 [ 9h 9d ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Jh,9h,6h ]
Player2 balance $36.55, bet $15.50, collected $33.05, net +$17.55 [ 6c 6s ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kh,Kd,6c,6s,6h ]
Player3 balance $3.15, lost $3 (folded)
Player4 balance $57.75, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $52.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $37.10, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player8 balance $137.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player9 balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player10 balance $29, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-26-2004, 03:56 PM     Post subject: Flush beat #6 (permalink)  
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Would appreciate any comments on the hand below. I lost on a flush to a full house. Maybe I was just outplayed, I didn't put him on a full house and after picking up a flush on the river felt I had to stick around. Perhaps a smaller raise or check would have been more appropriate


***** Hand History for Game 413565053 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Feb 25 02:08:28 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 3945 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yourstruly ( $25.30)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $19)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.15)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $57.75)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.60)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $37.10)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $19.85)
Seat 8: Player8 ( $137.35)
Seat 9: Player9 ( $8.25)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $29)
Player8 posts small blind (0.25)
Player9 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yourstruly [ 9h, 9d ]
Player10 folds.
Player3: ohhh man
Player3: ohhhh man
yourstruly raises (3) to 3
Player2 calls (3)
Player3 calls (3)
Player4 folds.
Player5 folds.
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Player8 folds.
Player9 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6h, Kh ]
Player8: gotta love the river
yourstruly checks.
Player2 bets (0.50)
Player3 folds.
Player3: how about the turn and the river
yourstruly calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
Player8: ridiculous
yourstruly bets (2)
Player2 raises (4) to 4
yourstruly calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
yourstruly bets (4)
Player2 raises (8) to 8
yourstruly calls (4)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.05 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ Jh 6h Kh Kd Ah ]
yourstruly balance $9.80, lost $15.50 [ 9h 9d ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Jh,9h,6h ]
Player2 balance $36.55, bet $15.50, collected $33.05, net +$17.55 [ 6c 6s ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kh,Kd,6c,6s,6h ]
Player3 balance $3.15, lost $3 (folded)
Player4 balance $57.75, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $52.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player6 balance $37.10, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
Player8 balance $137.10, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player9 balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Player10 balance $29, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Sorry Aces, but that was terrible play. You went looking for trouble and found it.

I don't like the pre-flop raise on pocket 9s out of position. Not enough showdown power for a 10 person table where you could draw multiple callers on any raise. Being out of position makes it tough to win without showdown or determine if your pocket pairs likely held up.

I don't see you winning showdown on this flop. With a single suited flop, if you're going to chase the single pocket card flush you want the best or second best card of that suit not on the board. A nine doesn't cut it, too likely you're drawing dead. After the flop, you're beat by any King, Jack or pocket pair. With 2 players seeing a flop, there is a good chance one or the other is out.

A tight play would have been to fold to the 50c bet on the flop (as silly as it might seem.)

An agressive play would have been to raise the flop bet to test the bet out and try to take down the pot right there. Although a call wouldn't tell you much since he might hang around with as little as the Ace of Hearts on pretty good pot odds.

A marginal play would have been to call the 50c looking for a 9 on the river. Long odds, but there is enough money out to justify it. Then check + fold to a bet on the turn.

At the very least, the raise on the turn just screamed, "I have a king or a made flush you're beat." When in reality the news was much more grim.

Pick your battles when you want to drop $15 on a hand. This battle was a poor choice.
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Sorry Aces, but that was terrible play. You went looking for trouble and found it.

I don't like the pre-flop raise on pocket 9s out of position. Not enough showdown power for a 10 person table where you could draw multiple callers on any raise. Being out of position makes it tough to win without showdown or determine if your pocket pairs likely held up.

I don't see you winning showdown on this flop. With a single suited flop, if you're going to chase the single pocket card flush you want the best or second best card of that suit not on the board. A nine doesn't cut it, too likely you're drawing dead. After the flop, you're beat by any King, Jack or pocket pair. With 2 players seeing a flop, there is a good chance one or the other is out.

A tight play would have been to fold to the 50c bet on the flop (as silly as it might seem.)

An agressive play would have been to raise the flop bet to test the bet out and try to take down the pot right there. Although a call wouldn't tell you much since he might hang around with as little as the Ace of Hearts on pretty good pot odds.

A marginal play would have been to call the 50c looking for a 9 on the river. Long odds, but there is enough money out to justify it. Then check + fold to a bet on the turn.

At the very least, the raise on the turn just screamed, "I have a king or a made flush you're beat." When in reality the news was much more grim.

Pick your battles when you want to drop $15 on a hand. This battle was a poor choice.
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Sorry Aces, but that was terrible play. You went looking for trouble and found it.

I don't like the pre-flop raise on pocket 9s out of position. Not enough showdown power for a 10 person table where you could draw multiple callers on any raise. Being out of position makes it tough to win without showdown or determine if your pocket pairs likely held up.

I don't see you winning showdown on this flop. With a single suited flop, if you're going to chase the single pocket card flush you want the best or second best card of that suit not on the board. A nine doesn't cut it, too likely you're drawing dead. After the flop, you're beat by any King, Jack or pocket pair. With 2 players seeing a flop, there is a good chance one or the other is out.

A tight play would have been to fold to the 50c bet on the flop (as silly as it might seem.)

An agressive play would have been to raise the flop bet to test the bet out and try to take down the pot right there. Although a call wouldn't tell you much since he might hang around with as little as the Ace of Hearts on pretty good pot odds.

A marginal play would have been to call the 50c looking for a 9 on the river. Long odds, but there is enough money out to justify it. Then check + fold to a bet on the turn.

At the very least, the raise on the turn just screamed, "I have a king or a made flush you're beat." When in reality the news was much more grim.

Pick your battles when you want to drop $15 on a hand. This battle was a poor choice.
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Sorry Aces, but that was terrible play. You went looking for trouble and found it.

I don't like the pre-flop raise on pocket 9s out of position. Not enough showdown power for a 10 person table where you could draw multiple callers on any raise. Being out of position makes it tough to win without showdown or determine if your pocket pairs likely held up.

I don't see you winning showdown on this flop. With a single suited flop, if you're going to chase the single pocket card flush you want the best or second best card of that suit not on the board. A nine doesn't cut it, too likely you're drawing dead. After the flop, you're beat by any King, Jack or pocket pair. With 2 players seeing a flop, there is a good chance one or the other is out.

A tight play would have been to fold to the 50c bet on the flop (as silly as it might seem.)

An agressive play would have been to raise the flop bet to test the bet out and try to take down the pot right there. Although a call wouldn't tell you much since he might hang around with as little as the Ace of Hearts on pretty good pot odds.

A marginal play would have been to call the 50c looking for a 9 on the river. Long odds, but there is enough money out to justify it. Then check + fold to a bet on the turn.

At the very least, the raise on the turn just screamed, "I have a king or a made flush you're beat." When in reality the news was much more grim.

Pick your battles when you want to drop $15 on a hand. This battle was a poor choice.
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Sorry Aces, but that was terrible play. You went looking for trouble and found it.

I don't like the pre-flop raise on pocket 9s out of position. Not enough showdown power for a 10 person table where you could draw multiple callers on any raise. Being out of position makes it tough to win without showdown or determine if your pocket pairs likely held up.

I don't see you winning showdown on this flop. With a single suited flop, if you're going to chase the single pocket card flush you want the best or second best card of that suit not on the board. A nine doesn't cut it, too likely you're drawing dead. After the flop, you're beat by any King, Jack or pocket pair. With 2 players seeing a flop, there is a good chance one or the other is out.

A tight play would have been to fold to the 50c bet on the flop (as silly as it might seem.)

An agressive play would have been to raise the flop bet to test the bet out and try to take down the pot right there. Although a call wouldn't tell you much since he might hang around with as little as the Ace of Hearts on pretty good pot odds.

A marginal play would have been to call the 50c looking for a 9 on the river. Long odds, but there is enough money out to justify it. Then check + fold to a bet on the turn.

At the very least, the raise on the turn just screamed, "I have a king or a made flush you're beat." When in reality the news was much more grim.

Pick your battles when you want to drop $15 on a hand. This battle was a poor choice.
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Sorry Aces, but that was terrible play. You went looking for trouble and found it.

I don't like the pre-flop raise on pocket 9s out of position. Not enough showdown power for a 10 person table where you could draw multiple callers on any raise. Being out of position makes it tough to win without showdown or determine if your pocket pairs likely held up.

I don't see you winning showdown on this flop. With a single suited flop, if you're going to chase the single pocket card flush you want the best or second best card of that suit not on the board. A nine doesn't cut it, too likely you're drawing dead. After the flop, you're beat by any King, Jack or pocket pair. With 2 players seeing a flop, there is a good chance one or the other is out.

A tight play would have been to fold to the 50c bet on the flop (as silly as it might seem.)

An agressive play would have been to raise the flop bet to test the bet out and try to take down the pot right there. Although a call wouldn't tell you much since he might hang around with as little as the Ace of Hearts on pretty good pot odds.

A marginal play would have been to call the 50c looking for a 9 on the river. Long odds, but there is enough money out to justify it. Then check + fold to a bet on the turn.

At the very least, the raise on the turn just screamed, "I have a king or a made flush you're beat." When in reality the news was much more grim.

Pick your battles when you want to drop $15 on a hand. This battle was a poor choice.
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got to agree with Fnord here, raised a little much preflop, pocket 9's is a good hand but its really the type of hand you only play to get a set. Im never comfortable with a pocket pair when an overcard shows (even K-K) and there were two overcards. If you were going to bet on this hand like you did, you should of done it on the flop, if you get called or especially raised, you have to accept you are probably beaten. I know it seems with only one card off a flush, the last suited card you need will surely come, but in the long run you will end up losing money since the odds are against you that it will come up. Learn from this Aces, its a lesson im sure most of us learned after chasing way too many hands we shouldn't have.
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got to agree with Fnord here, raised a little much preflop, pocket 9's is a good hand but its really the type of hand you only play to get a set. Im never comfortable with a pocket pair when an overcard shows (even K-K) and there were two overcards. If you were going to bet on this hand like you did, you should of done it on the flop, if you get called or especially raised, you have to accept you are probably beaten. I know it seems with only one card off a flush, the last suited card you need will surely come, but in the long run you will end up losing money since the odds are against you that it will come up. Learn from this Aces, its a lesson im sure most of us learned after chasing way too many hands we shouldn't have.
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got to agree with Fnord here, raised a little much preflop, pocket 9's is a good hand but its really the type of hand you only play to get a set. Im never comfortable with a pocket pair when an overcard shows (even K-K) and there were two overcards. If you were going to bet on this hand like you did, you should of done it on the flop, if you get called or especially raised, you have to accept you are probably beaten. I know it seems with only one card off a flush, the last suited card you need will surely come, but in the long run you will end up losing money since the odds are against you that it will come up. Learn from this Aces, its a lesson im sure most of us learned after chasing way too many hands we shouldn't have.
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got to agree with Fnord here, raised a little much preflop, pocket 9's is a good hand but its really the type of hand you only play to get a set. Im never comfortable with a pocket pair when an overcard shows (even K-K) and there were two overcards. If you were going to bet on this hand like you did, you should of done it on the flop, if you get called or especially raised, you have to accept you are probably beaten. I know it seems with only one card off a flush, the last suited card you need will surely come, but in the long run you will end up losing money since the odds are against you that it will come up. Learn from this Aces, its a lesson im sure most of us learned after chasing way too many hands we shouldn't have.
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got to agree with Fnord here, raised a little much preflop, pocket 9's is a good hand but its really the type of hand you only play to get a set. Im never comfortable with a pocket pair when an overcard shows (even K-K) and there were two overcards. If you were going to bet on this hand like you did, you should of done it on the flop, if you get called or especially raised, you have to accept you are probably beaten. I know it seems with only one card off a flush, the last suited card you need will surely come, but in the long run you will end up losing money since the odds are against you that it will come up. Learn from this Aces, its a lesson im sure most of us learned after chasing way too many hands we shouldn't have.
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got to agree with Fnord here, raised a little much preflop, pocket 9's is a good hand but its really the type of hand you only play to get a set. Im never comfortable with a pocket pair when an overcard shows (even K-K) and there were two overcards. If you were going to bet on this hand like you did, you should of done it on the flop, if you get called or especially raised, you have to accept you are probably beaten. I know it seems with only one card off a flush, the last suited card you need will surely come, but in the long run you will end up losing money since the odds are against you that it will come up. Learn from this Aces, its a lesson im sure most of us learned after chasing way too many hands we shouldn't have.
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Guess my thinking was with me checking after the flop, Player2 would have raised more than .50 if he flopped high pair or a set and Player3 left to act. Still could have had JJKK after the turn, but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair. I can see where his raise on the turn should have warned me. Thought my flush may be best with the A, K J out, so I figured it was worth the bet/call. Should have at least bet small on the river and folded if reraised. Thanks for the comments.
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Guess my thinking was with me checking after the flop, Player2 would have raised more than .50 if he flopped high pair or a set and Player3 left to act. Still could have had JJKK after the turn, but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair. I can see where his raise on the turn should have warned me. Thought my flush may be best with the A, K J out, so I figured it was worth the bet/call. Should have at least bet small on the river and folded if reraised. Thanks for the comments.
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Guess my thinking was with me checking after the flop, Player2 would have raised more than .50 if he flopped high pair or a set and Player3 left to act. Still could have had JJKK after the turn, but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair. I can see where his raise on the turn should have warned me. Thought my flush may be best with the A, K J out, so I figured it was worth the bet/call. Should have at least bet small on the river and folded if reraised. Thanks for the comments.
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Guess my thinking was with me checking after the flop, Player2 would have raised more than .50 if he flopped high pair or a set and Player3 left to act. Still could have had JJKK after the turn, but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair. I can see where his raise on the turn should have warned me. Thought my flush may be best with the A, K J out, so I figured it was worth the bet/call. Should have at least bet small on the river and folded if reraised. Thanks for the comments.
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Guess my thinking was with me checking after the flop, Player2 would have raised more than .50 if he flopped high pair or a set and Player3 left to act. Still could have had JJKK after the turn, but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair. I can see where his raise on the turn should have warned me. Thought my flush may be best with the A, K J out, so I figured it was worth the bet/call. Should have at least bet small on the river and folded if reraised. Thanks for the comments.
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Guess my thinking was with me checking after the flop, Player2 would have raised more than .50 if he flopped high pair or a set and Player3 left to act. Still could have had JJKK after the turn, but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair. I can see where his raise on the turn should have warned me. Thought my flush may be best with the A, K J out, so I figured it was worth the bet/call. Should have at least bet small on the river and folded if reraised. Thanks for the comments.
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I'm going to explain this how I would have played it. (imagine i can't just read all the way through it)

On a limit table I may have made a preflop raise depending on my mood/the run of the table. On the No limit table, I would have gotten in as cheap as possible. Then if you hit your flop ( a 9 ) you can run it up, or drop it if you miss. I would even consider folding to a large raise preflop. You don't want to be in a position where you HAVE to draw to win.

After the flop I would have dropped my hand. You missed your set, and even worse you flopped "Third Pair" meaning any J or K would have had you beat at that point. Not a good position to be in. Basicly at that point your 9's were a losing hand.

K on the turn would have definatly pushed me out. no way with the cards you have you can beat trips.(i would have assumed someone has a K in their hand) at that point your only out was another 9 for 9's full of kings. you'd have a 4.2% chance of getting your card. Not good enough to play.

You ended up using 4 cards on teh board for a 9high flush. That wouldn't be good enough for me to stay either. I'd have had to fold such a "weak" flush.

I ran back through this with out any of the betting, hopefully you can just tell by that your hand could have been folded. But the raise the turn should have been a DEAD give away that he made his flush. At very least he hit the trips.

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I'm going to explain this how I would have played it. (imagine i can't just read all the way through it)

On a limit table I may have made a preflop raise depending on my mood/the run of the table. On the No limit table, I would have gotten in as cheap as possible. Then if you hit your flop ( a 9 ) you can run it up, or drop it if you miss. I would even consider folding to a large raise preflop. You don't want to be in a position where you HAVE to draw to win.

After the flop I would have dropped my hand. You missed your set, and even worse you flopped "Third Pair" meaning any J or K would have had you beat at that point. Not a good position to be in. Basicly at that point your 9's were a losing hand.

K on the turn would have definatly pushed me out. no way with the cards you have you can beat trips.(i would have assumed someone has a K in their hand) at that point your only out was another 9 for 9's full of kings. you'd have a 4.2% chance of getting your card. Not good enough to play.

You ended up using 4 cards on teh board for a 9high flush. That wouldn't be good enough for me to stay either. I'd have had to fold such a "weak" flush.

I ran back through this with out any of the betting, hopefully you can just tell by that your hand could have been folded. But the raise the turn should have been a DEAD give away that he made his flush. At very least he hit the trips.

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I'm going to explain this how I would have played it. (imagine i can't just read all the way through it)

On a limit table I may have made a preflop raise depending on my mood/the run of the table. On the No limit table, I would have gotten in as cheap as possible. Then if you hit your flop ( a 9 ) you can run it up, or drop it if you miss. I would even consider folding to a large raise preflop. You don't want to be in a position where you HAVE to draw to win.

After the flop I would have dropped my hand. You missed your set, and even worse you flopped "Third Pair" meaning any J or K would have had you beat at that point. Not a good position to be in. Basicly at that point your 9's were a losing hand.

K on the turn would have definatly pushed me out. no way with the cards you have you can beat trips.(i would have assumed someone has a K in their hand) at that point your only out was another 9 for 9's full of kings. you'd have a 4.2% chance of getting your card. Not good enough to play.

You ended up using 4 cards on teh board for a 9high flush. That wouldn't be good enough for me to stay either. I'd have had to fold such a "weak" flush.

I ran back through this with out any of the betting, hopefully you can just tell by that your hand could have been folded. But the raise the turn should have been a DEAD give away that he made his flush. At very least he hit the trips.

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I'm going to explain this how I would have played it. (imagine i can't just read all the way through it)

On a limit table I may have made a preflop raise depending on my mood/the run of the table. On the No limit table, I would have gotten in as cheap as possible. Then if you hit your flop ( a 9 ) you can run it up, or drop it if you miss. I would even consider folding to a large raise preflop. You don't want to be in a position where you HAVE to draw to win.

After the flop I would have dropped my hand. You missed your set, and even worse you flopped "Third Pair" meaning any J or K would have had you beat at that point. Not a good position to be in. Basicly at that point your 9's were a losing hand.

K on the turn would have definatly pushed me out. no way with the cards you have you can beat trips.(i would have assumed someone has a K in their hand) at that point your only out was another 9 for 9's full of kings. you'd have a 4.2% chance of getting your card. Not good enough to play.

You ended up using 4 cards on teh board for a 9high flush. That wouldn't be good enough for me to stay either. I'd have had to fold such a "weak" flush.

I ran back through this with out any of the betting, hopefully you can just tell by that your hand could have been folded. But the raise the turn should have been a DEAD give away that he made his flush. At very least he hit the trips.

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I'm going to explain this how I would have played it. (imagine i can't just read all the way through it)

On a limit table I may have made a preflop raise depending on my mood/the run of the table. On the No limit table, I would have gotten in as cheap as possible. Then if you hit your flop ( a 9 ) you can run it up, or drop it if you miss. I would even consider folding to a large raise preflop. You don't want to be in a position where you HAVE to draw to win.

After the flop I would have dropped my hand. You missed your set, and even worse you flopped "Third Pair" meaning any J or K would have had you beat at that point. Not a good position to be in. Basicly at that point your 9's were a losing hand.

K on the turn would have definatly pushed me out. no way with the cards you have you can beat trips.(i would have assumed someone has a K in their hand) at that point your only out was another 9 for 9's full of kings. you'd have a 4.2% chance of getting your card. Not good enough to play.

You ended up using 4 cards on teh board for a 9high flush. That wouldn't be good enough for me to stay either. I'd have had to fold such a "weak" flush.

I ran back through this with out any of the betting, hopefully you can just tell by that your hand could have been folded. But the raise the turn should have been a DEAD give away that he made his flush. At very least he hit the trips.

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I'm going to explain this how I would have played it. (imagine i can't just read all the way through it)

On a limit table I may have made a preflop raise depending on my mood/the run of the table. On the No limit table, I would have gotten in as cheap as possible. Then if you hit your flop ( a 9 ) you can run it up, or drop it if you miss. I would even consider folding to a large raise preflop. You don't want to be in a position where you HAVE to draw to win.

After the flop I would have dropped my hand. You missed your set, and even worse you flopped "Third Pair" meaning any J or K would have had you beat at that point. Not a good position to be in. Basicly at that point your 9's were a losing hand.

K on the turn would have definatly pushed me out. no way with the cards you have you can beat trips.(i would have assumed someone has a K in their hand) at that point your only out was another 9 for 9's full of kings. you'd have a 4.2% chance of getting your card. Not good enough to play.

You ended up using 4 cards on teh board for a 9high flush. That wouldn't be good enough for me to stay either. I'd have had to fold such a "weak" flush.

I ran back through this with out any of the betting, hopefully you can just tell by that your hand could have been folded. But the raise the turn should have been a DEAD give away that he made his flush. At very least he hit the trips.

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but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair.
Even if you hit the flush draw its a WEAK flush draw. Your 4 cards to your flush but SO is everyone else. Its hard to lay down the big hands but you'll go broke if you can't.
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but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair.
Even if you hit the flush draw its a WEAK flush draw. Your 4 cards to your flush but SO is everyone else. Its hard to lay down the big hands but you'll go broke if you can't.
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but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair.
Even if you hit the flush draw its a WEAK flush draw. Your 4 cards to your flush but SO is everyone else. Its hard to lay down the big hands but you'll go broke if you can't.
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but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair.
Even if you hit the flush draw its a WEAK flush draw. Your 4 cards to your flush but SO is everyone else. Its hard to lay down the big hands but you'll go broke if you can't.
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but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair.
Even if you hit the flush draw its a WEAK flush draw. Your 4 cards to your flush but SO is everyone else. Its hard to lay down the big hands but you'll go broke if you can't.
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but I thought I had a good shot with a flush draw, full house draw, and my current 2 pair.
Even if you hit the flush draw its a WEAK flush draw. Your 4 cards to your flush but SO is everyone else. Its hard to lay down the big hands but you'll go broke if you can't.
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I wonder what he would have done if aces had reraised him big on the flop. That .50 bet obviously shows hes afraid of that flush, when you called it, you pretty much convinced him he had the best hand.
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I wonder what he would have done if aces had reraised him big on the flop. That .50 bet obviously shows hes afraid of that flush, when you called it, you pretty much convinced him he had the best hand.
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I wonder what he would have done if aces had reraised him big on the flop. That .50 bet obviously shows hes afraid of that flush, when you called it, you pretty much convinced him he had the best hand.
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I wonder what he would have done if aces had reraised him big on the flop. That .50 bet obviously shows hes afraid of that flush, when you called it, you pretty much convinced him he had the best hand.
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I wonder what he would have done if aces had reraised him big on the flop. That .50 bet obviously shows hes afraid of that flush, when you called it, you pretty much convinced him he had the best hand.
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I wonder what he would have done if aces had reraised him big on the flop. That .50 bet obviously shows hes afraid of that flush, when you called it, you pretty much convinced him he had the best hand.
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