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hoaznod

10-06-2005, 05:13 AM Post subject: Flopping two pair = Problems

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There are multiple places i think i may have messed up at.
Just hoping for your input.
Thanks in advance.

100 NL Table at Bodog.

I get dealt KsJh in late position.
4 people limp in before me and i raise to $3.50 (bad?)
4 callers.

flop Kd Jc 8c
first raises to $3.50
second calls.
i raise to $7
fourth raises to $15
first and second call.
i reraise AI to $33 (bad?)
first folds.
second and third call.

turn is a 5h
both check.

river is an Ac
2nd bets $30.
3rd calls.

2nd flips over Qc10c.
3rd flips over Kh10s.

2nd for the win with a big pot.

I know i messed it up, i'm thinking i should of folded to the huge 15 dollar raise and calls because of trips. Your input?

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ChrisBCritter

10-06-2005, 05:37 AM

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You put your money in when you had the best of it. They were on draws and got lucky. Nothing much you could do there...

DaNutsInYoEye

10-06-2005, 05:40 AM

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KJo isn't a particularly good drawing hand and its value depreciates a lot with multiple callers. Either raise enough to get yourself 1/2 callers or limp in. A raise of this size with multiple limpers (and the fact that it's BoDog) isn't going to induce many/any folds and only serves to sweeten the pot.

With a deeper stack I'd play it differently. With the size of the pot and the size of your stack though I don't think you're play was particularly bad. Only thing I would've done differently was push initially.

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dsaxton

10-06-2005, 06:13 AM

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Don't raise K-J offsuit with a bunch of limpers behind you. I think you should only be raising hands in this scenario that can be played well for value after the flop, since the pot is likely to be large and multi-way, and that's not really the case with K-J offsuit.

After the flop, I don't see anything wrong with playing your hand as you did, since you flopped top two pair.

DogOnMySide

10-06-2005, 09:51 AM

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Yeah don't beat yourself up about that one. The only thing i thought was a *bit* weak was your flop re-raise...

first raises to $3.50
second calls.
i raise to $7

I think with the pot at ab out $15 here (your PFR x 4 callers + Unknown Blinds), the $3.50 (1/5 pot) raise looks like a weak probe, but the re-raise isn't enough to persuare anyone that you actually have the best hand.

The flush draw stayed in for implied odds with 4 players representing a hand and made it. Shoulda taken control and denied them the chance with a pot-sized re-raise.

Although i appreciate that a certain percentage of the time you will get nailed by a concealed set........ :S

But with hindsight you're saying "should i have folded to a strong re-raise by someone on a straight draw, when i had top 2 pair?"

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