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Old 02-09-2006, 11:43 PM     Post subject: Flopped top set, need to go broke? #1 (permalink)  
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Game # 242987143 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,25/0,50 - Table "Linkoping"


Players:
eh15 (EUR 47,19 in seat 1)
TryTilt_Me (EUR 15,77 in seat 2)
ntd88888 (EUR 47,65 in seat 3)
travoltaJ (EUR 25,00 in seat 4)
reroby (EUR 101,05 in seat 5)
__gamen__ (EUR 13,93 in seat 6)
jessie_07 (EUR 41,40 in seat 7)
spcaa (EUR 55,65 in seat 8)

Dealer: TryTilt_Me
Small Blind: ntd88888 (0,25)
Big Blind: travoltaJ (0,50)

ntd88888 was dealt: Kd - Kh

reroby Call (0,50)
__gamen__ Call (0,50)
jessie_07 Fold
spcaa Fold
eh15 Raise (1,90)
TryTilt_Me Fold
ntd88888 Call (1,65)
travoltaJ Fold
reroby Call (1,40)
__gamen__ Call (1,40)

Flop 3c - Th - Ks

ntd88888 Check
reroby Check
__gamen__ Check
eh15 Bet (3,25)
ntd88888 Call (3,25)
reroby Call (3,25)
__gamen__ Fold

Turn 3c - Th - Ks - Ac

ntd88888 Check
reroby Check
eh15 Bet (11,00)
ntd88888 Raise (22,00)
reroby Fold
eh15 Raise (22,00)
ntd88888 All-In (20,50)
eh15 All-In (9,04)
ntd88888 Payback (0,46)

River 3c - Th - Ks - Ac - 9h

ntd88888 shows: Kd - Kh (three of a kind, kings)
eh15 shows: Qd - Jc (a straight, ace high)

eh15 wins: EUR 98,93 (with a straight, ace high)
Rake: EUR 3,00


I flopped boss set here, and check-called (figuring someone would bet, I wanted as many people in the pot at this point as possible). Should I have reraised pf as well as flop? Or do I just have to pay this off? Should I have been more worried about KT on the flop?
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Old 02-09-2006, 11:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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(sorry about lack of formatting, there aren't any converters for B2B skins)
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Old 02-10-2006, 01:53 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Looks like this guy wanted to go all the way with it regardless, so you're probably going broke yea.

I wouldn't slow-play the flop though, but he was probably going to chase anyway in which case you would have been allin on the turn and not hit the FH.
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Raise the flop.
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Old 02-10-2006, 03:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 reraise preflop

I think everyones forgetting this one. Since you're in early position and calling a small raise everyone behind you with drawing hands like JQ are compelled to call with pot odds.
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Push flop.
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Old 02-10-2006, 05:45 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Push flop.
Stacks are too deep and pot is too small to push.
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:08 AM #8 (permalink)  
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don't i want to keep people in? (that's why i cold-called)
I didnt even see the KT draw..
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Old 02-10-2006, 10:56 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Think of the reasons why you slowplay, you want you ops to make a second best hand that they would be willing to go broke with (TPTK etc.) without them getting a hand better than yours.

What card could come on the turn that would give you more action then on the flop?

Also AJ/AQ/QJ even J9 are hands people like to take into raised pots, all these hands are either 1 or 2 cards off a straight.

I'd reraise pre flop and on the flop, the earlier you build a pot the easyer it is to stack someone later. Next time you get a high PP (or a set) think "I'm going to aggressively stack someone or win a tiny pot". You win less mediun sized pots, but you lose less, and win more, huge pots.
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Old 02-10-2006, 02:34 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 This is the key of the whole hand.

ntd88888 Call (1,65)
travoltaJ Fold
reroby Call (1,40)
__gamen__ Call (1,40)

By not raising (even min raising) you are inviting 2 more people to bust your hand. A group of nutbusters will bust nuts much more often than 1. Raise and isolate vs original raiser. Yes you might win less vs 1 opponent but you will lose a lot less times vs 1 opponent.

Winning less is better than lossing more IMO.
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:00 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Think of the reasons why you slowplay, you want you ops to make a second best hand that they would be willing to go broke with (TPTK etc.) without them getting a hand better than yours.

What card could come on the turn that would give you more action then on the flop?
Well, I got aggressive on the turn, thinking that he'd be holding a weak ace, and that the A would be my money card.
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