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Old 12-27-2006, 04:40 PM     Post subject: flopped top 2 pair #1 (permalink)  
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no stats/notes on opponents. in general though, the play at pokerroom at $25NL is very, very poor. 25NL is the lowest stakes tables they have at pokerroom.

Seat 1: fffreezing ($30.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Vytec ($21.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero [10H,JD] ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 5: asche83 ($14.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Fattest_Lady ($22.75 in chips)
Seat 8: TUC1 ($23.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Sven1507 ($7.70 in chips)
Seat 10: A-Airlines ($3.10 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Fattest_Lady posts blind ($0.15), TUC1 posts blind ($0.25), Sven1507 posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
Sven1507 checks, A-Airlines folds, fffreezing folds, Vytec calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, asche83 bets $0.50, Fattest_Lady folds, TUC1 folds, Sven1507 folds, Vytec calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

FLOP [board cards 8S,JC,10D ]
Vytec checks, Hero bets $2, asche83 bets $5, Vytec calls $5, Hero bets $15, asche83 calls $9.35 and is all-in, Vytec calls $12.

TURN [board cards 8S,JC,10D,7S ]
Vytec checks, Hero bets $4, Vytec calls $3.90 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards 8S,JC,10D,7S,2S ]


SHOWDOWN
Hero shows [ 10H,JD ]
asche83 shows [ 8D,8C ]
Vytec shows [ JS,9S ]
Hero wins $0.10, Vytec wins $13.10, Vytec wins $44.70.
SUMMARY
Dealer: asche83
Pot: $58.40, (including rake: $0.50)
fffreezing, loses $0
Vytec, bets $21.40, collects $57.80, net $36.40
Hero, bets $21.50, collects $0.10, net -$21.40
asche83, loses $14.85
Fattest_Lady, loses $0.15
TUC1, loses $0.25
Sven1507, loses $0.25
A-Airlines, loses $0

what do you think? we're basically allin on the flop. do you think i played my top 2 pair too aggressively?
should i be happy that i got all my chips into the middle on the flop?
i'm not really going to fold on the turn or river if my opponent(s) bet aggressively which is likely.
i might as well put all my chips in now and make my opponents pay to draw.

at first i thought i played the hand loosely. but i don't think i could really have done anything here.
what do you think?
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Old 12-27-2006, 05:08 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1) Fold preflop. J10 off suit is trash.
2) Fold after getting re-raised in a multiway pot with no flush draws. Doesn't look like TPTK defending.

I was actually thinking he flopped a straight, but the point is
when you get reraised in a multiway pot its almost always bad news. What did you think you beat?

Its not AK, AQ, KK, AA, AJ as these would have raised more preflop. Problem with two pair is that usually the only thing you beat with it is a pair or lower 2p. Maybe in a 2 way pot I might consider a call, but in a 3 way you can almost guarantee your 2p is no good.
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Old 12-27-2006, 06:32 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Yea, you should fold PF. I like limping this on the button though. As far as postflop goes, I think you should get it all in on the flop instead of leaving 4 dollars behind. Nice hand.
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Old 12-27-2006, 09:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by mixchange
1) Fold preflop. J10 off suit is trash.
2) Fold after getting re-raised in a multiway pot with no flush draws. Doesn't look like TPTK defending.

I was actually thinking he flopped a straight, but the point is
when you get reraised in a multiway pot its almost always bad news. What did you think you beat?

Its not AK, AQ, KK, AA, AJ as these would have raised more preflop. Problem with two pair is that usually the only thing you beat with it is a pair or lower 2p. Maybe in a 2 way pot I might consider a call, but in a 3 way you can almost guarantee your 2p is no good.
it was a bit loose preflop. probably getting a bit restless.
i actually thought i was in the SB and just called 10 cents more to see the flop. i only realized that there was a raise pf when you mentioned. lol. very bad by me. i completely lost track of the hand (i was 4-tabling, but don't usually play lose track of a hand like this).

AK, AQ, KK, AA, AJ may not have raised more preflop. my opponents are not playing perfect strategy. mostly, they are very weak. they could easily have any cards in that range.
what 2 cards would someone make a minraise with in that position? none?

i completely lost track of the hand though. should i have played so aggressively on the flop?
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