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ender555

05-13-2005, 07:13 PM Post subject: flopped strait, hwo did i play this?

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kerStars Game #1690421120: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/05/13 - 15:04:54 (ET)
Table 'Boyce' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ender555 ($81.15 in chips)
Seat 2: thumper921 ($15.10 in chips)
Seat 3: onepocket47 ($68.45 in chips)
Seat 4: ImDeadMoney1 ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 5: launchpad91 ($31.30 in chips)
Seat 6: TEDDY_KGB90 ($69.85 in chips)
Seat 8: ScottyTFunk ($43.20 in chips)
Seat 9: downtown32 ($22.75 in chips)
ImDeadMoney1: posts small blind $0.25
launchpad91: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ender555 [4c 5c]
isdn6666 leaves the table
TEDDY_KGB90: folds
ScottyTFunk: folds
downtown32: calls $0.50
ender555: calls $0.50
thumper921: calls $0.50
onepocket47: folds
ImDeadMoney1: calls $0.25
TEDDY_KGB90 said, "sensed some weakness"
launchpad91: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac 3d 2h]
ImDeadMoney1 said, "a th"
ImDeadMoney1: checks
launchpad91: checks
SlIckone x joins the table at seat #7
TEDDY_KGB90 said, "like k rag?"
downtown32: checks
ImDeadMoney1 said, "oops"
ender555: checks
thumper921: bets $1.50
ImDeadMoney1: calls $1.50
launchpad91: folds
downtown32: folds
ender555: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Ac 3d 2h] [8h]
ImDeadMoney1 said, "wrong table"
ImDeadMoney1: checks
ender555: checks
thumper921: bets $1.50
ImDeadMoney1: calls $1.50
ender555: raises $1.50 to $3
thumper921: calls $1.50
ImDeadMoney1: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** [Ac 3d 2h 8h] [As]
ImDeadMoney1: checks
ender555: bets $11.50
thumper921: calls $10.10 and is all-in
ImDeadMoney1 said, "wow im folding my ace"
ImDeadMoney1 said, "i think"
ender555 said, "lol"
ender555 said, "press fold"
ImDeadMoney1 said, "pocket 8's"
ender555 said, "nope"
ImDeadMoney1 said, "my guess"
ImDeadMoney1: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ender555: shows [4c 5c] (a straight, Ace to Five)
thumper921: shows [2s 2c] (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)
thumper921 collected $34.45 from pot
ender555 said, "aww come on"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.20 | Rake $1.75
Board [Ac 3d 2h 8h As]
Seat 1: ender555 showed [4c 5c] and lost with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 2: thumper921 showed [2s 2c] and won ($34.45) with a full house, Deuces full of Aces
Seat 3: onepocket47 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ImDeadMoney1 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: launchpad91 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: TEDDY_KGB90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ScottyTFunk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: downtown32 folded on the Flop

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dalecooper

05-13-2005, 07:27 PM

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You misplayed it. Admittedly, he wasn't going to fold and you were going to lose all your money anyway, but still.

1. Smooth calling the flop may get you in trouble. You've got the current nuts so it's arguable whether you need to raise here, but I'd throw out at least a min-raise. More important:

2. Don't just min-raise the turn. A flush draw possibility has come down, and you've got two other people in the pot already. It's time to drop the hammer. You don't want to give away cheap cards - if the board pairs or a heart comes down, you are at risk here. Make 'em pay to play.

It's worth noting that thumper misplayed his set of ducks pretty badly too. He led out with a weak bet on the turn - this is when he wants to re-raise. You did him a favor (he thought) by raising; he should have dropped the hammer on you right there, too. Basically if this was me playing against me on this hand, I'd expect both mes to end up all-in before the river card ever popped up. And then me number 2 would suck out on me number 1, and that me would eat his keyboard in a rage.

drmcboy

05-13-2005, 07:32 PM

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^^
agree. Make THEM make the tough decisions, not you. I know it's a runner draw but the guy may have called with Ax hearts on the flop and picked up the draw by accident.

ensign_lee

05-13-2005, 08:01 PM

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I probably would have lost my money here just like you.
At the turn, you have the benefit of position, so you don't have to do this dinky little minimum raise here. Raise 3 or 4x the bet. Make someone with the ace think about what you might have (and this bet should probably make him think you have an ace with a decent kicker). Add to this, if anyone has a set (like the actually did here), they'll be expecting you to have an ace and reraise right back at you. Little do they know, at hte moment, you have their set owned!
Now way I wait until the river to push here.

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dsaxton

05-13-2005, 08:11 PM

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I think that there is very little value in the slow-play here. The hand is vulnerable to backdoor draws, and there simply aren't any likely hands that will develop on later streets which will add much to profit. The only hands that are probably going to give you action, such as a pair of aces, aces up or a set, have already developed. By slow-playing, you're taking potentially large risks (an opponent hitting a runner-runner flush, full house or higher straight) in favor of some very small prospects of additional profit.

ender555

05-13-2005, 09:15 PM

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thanks guys.. sounds good.. thats what i thouhght too.. i guess i just get greedy and hope someone hits a set/2-pair.. (not a house lol)

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