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samsonite2100
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06-19-2006, 08:52 PM
Post subject: Flopped Full line check
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Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($84.10)
MP2 ($57.15)
MP3 ($25.95)
CO ($20.00)
Button ($48.95)
Hero ($55.45)
BB ($43.00)
UTG ($46.30)
UTG+1 ($61.80)
Preflop: Hero is SB with T , A. CO posts a blind of $0.75. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.50, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($3.25) A , T , T (6 players)
Hero bets $2, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2, MP3 folds, CO folds.
Turn: ($7.25) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $11, Hero raises to $28
Villain seemed like a normal 50NL player--no great reads. I'm leaving off the rest of the hand, b/c all I want to know is what you think of the turn play here.
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mxiu
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Looks good. Opp certainly has a T, and I doubt will put it down.
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Fnord
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Unraised pot, still lots behind. I like Bet/3-bet better on the turn. Keep Ax calling you down, get Tx feeling pot-struck for his stack.
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samsonite2100
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My thinking was that checking here would allow the weaker hands like A/weak kicker and drawing hands like KJ to catch one more card while setting up made hands like Tx for a max pressure raise when they go ahead and bet the turn. Is this reasoning flawed?
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Unraised pot, still lots behind. I like Bet/3-bet better on the turn. Keep Ax calling you down, get Tx feeling pot-struck for his stack.
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I agree with this, given stack sizes this is the easiest way to get the stack in the middle and gets value when they would call a bet but check behind.
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
My thinking was that checking here would allow the weaker hands like A/weak kicker and drawing hands like KJ to catch one more card while setting up made hands like Tx for a max pressure raise when they go ahead and bet the turn. Is this reasoning flawed?
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You dont get as much money out of the hands by checking as you do by betting. Ax is calling a bet, a strong ace is probably raising. KJ is definitely raising, why do they need to catch another card? Tx is also probably raising. A bet/3b line allows you to get your stacks in the middle in the least awkward way.
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samsonite2100
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KJ is definitely raising, why do they need to catch another card?
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My bad. I meant Kx or Jx.
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Ax is calling a bet, a strong ace is probably raising. Tx is also probably raising.
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I disagree with this. IMO the average unknown player very often checks Ax--even a strong A here. I also think a weak T, depending on how passive the player is, surprisingly often checks here, too.
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
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KJ is definitely raising, why do they need to catch another card?
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My bad. I meant Kx or Jx.
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Ax is calling a bet, a strong ace is probably raising. Tx is also probably raising.
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I disagree with this. IMO the average unknown player very often checks Ax--even a strong A here. I also think a weak T, depending on how passive the player is, surprisingly often checks here, too. |
Right, they often check them a lot, that goes against the idea of a check raise. To check raise your opponents must bet after you check. They may be checking if you check, but they will almost always call your bets and strong Aces or Tens are raising, you lose value from the hands that would call a bet if you bet or check behind if you check.
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samsonite2100
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Fuck--sorry, Andy, I'm an imbecile--hungover and trying to do 20 things at once while posting. For the record, I actually do know what a check raise is...
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