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Parasurama
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02-02-2009, 10:26 PM
Post subject: Flopped bottom set, extracting the most value
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($92.10)
UTG+1 ($104.60)
MP1 ($27.80)
MP2 ($32.10)
CO ($110.65)
Button ($97)
SB ($115.55)
Hero (BB) ($100)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 , 2
4 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6.50) A, J , 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls $4
Turn: ($14.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $9, Hero calls $9
River: ($32.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $21, Hero?
Villain is 15/9/3 and a fairly solid reg but seems spewy at times
I almost want to just call because I feel like he's going to fold everything that we beat.
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This thread tilts me so hard. Judging by your comments you turned bottem set into a bluff catcher. Just fold preflop if you dont know what to do when you actually hit.
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turn is really ugly
leading or c/r is >>>>>>>>>>> c/c
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
turn is really ugly
leading or c/r is >>>>>>>>>>> c/c
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
This thread tilts me so hard. Judging by your comments you turned bottem set into a bluff catcher. Just fold preflop if you dont know what to do when you actually hit.
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I'm sorry? I posted because I recognized that I played the hand badly and fwiw I did raise the river and normally I would lead all three streets. So you're telling me that instead of experimenting and asking about a situation where I can improve my play I should just avoid playing out of my comfort zone altogether?
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
turn is really ugly
leading or c/r is >>>>>>>>>>> c/c
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Yeah this is mainly what I was thinking, and leading is probably better than c/r right?
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
turn is really ugly
leading or c/r is >>>>>>>>>>> c/c
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Yeah this is mainly what I was thinking, and leading is probably better than c/r right? |
oh ya fo sho
leading gets more out of a jack i think than a c/r would too. because jacks raise most turn leads but may not 3 bet a c/r.
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fold preflop, bet the flop, checkraise the turn, shove the river
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flop lead is bad, theres no reason not to check raise him on this texture
checkraising the river seems terrible as played, just call
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by Renton
flop lead is bad, theres no reason not to check raise him on this texture
checkraising the river seems terrible as played, just call
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Okay, this is what I was looking for, at the time I thought just calling river was better but I was just like lol full house have to raise.
Do AK/AQ continue to a c/r on the flop?
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lol whoops, yeah shove river (for some reason i thought u didn't have boat)
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id c/c or c/r flop and bet turn and river as standard - his range of hands isnt limited to AJ - and not many people will fold AK here even if you take a semi-strong looking line
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
fold preflop, bet the flop, checkraise the turn, shove the river
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fold pre?
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
fold pre?
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I was wondering about this too. He could be saying that his steal range is likely too wide to setmine profitably, and you're not getting to steal many pots oop unless he's bad.
Lately I fold to an LP raise with baby pairs from the blinds, but only if I get less than 20:1...
Just checked HEM for 22-77 in SB and BB with steal attempt... was +EV for 5NL to 25NL, and -EV @ 50NL but I only get 25 hands there... mostly loosing due to failed resteal attempts on the flop. So my DB is simply not big enough.
If someone wants to check - you can't filter for hands and "Steal attempt from SB / BB = true", you have to create a steal situation in the main filter, then it will accept the hand filter.
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well opp is a nit so i def call, ill 3bet other players with this instead of mine
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OP reports no infomation about the ATS of the pfr... 15/9's can have a wide variety of steal %... which should at least in some way effect how we choose to play small pkt pairs from the BB.
I agree with dean... and would either fold or 3b small pockets to a steal
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by kingnat
OP reports no infomation about the ATS of the pfr... 15/9's can have a wide variety of steal %... which should at least in some way effect how we choose to play small pkt pairs from the BB.
I agree with dean... and would either fold or 3b small pockets to a steal
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You said it not me...where's iopq?
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why is turn a bad card? we fill up and the only hand that beats us is AJ
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Originally Posted by kingnat
OP reports no infomation about the ATS of the pfr... 15/9's can have a wide variety of steal %... which should at least in some way effect how we choose to play small pkt pairs from the BB.
I agree with dean... and would either fold or 3b small pockets to a steal
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there are much better hands to have in our 3bet range than small PPs imo.
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I think I check the flop here too. C/R turn and shove river.
Can't decide if I would defend my blind there against the steal or not. I probably do to a 15/9 if I've played a significant amount of hands against them.
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