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Funky
Old 05-24-2005, 03:41 AM     Post subject: flop set, play different? #1 (permalink)  

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should i have been more agg, esp on the turn, or just a bad card?

25 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 23, 22:44:27 EDT 2005

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Hero ( $40.9 )
Seat 2: DAS25 ( $24.4 )
Seat 3: amybeone ( $23.8 )
Seat 5: Huck_43310 ( $22.1 )
Seat 7: fulltiltnavy ( $30.9 )
Seat 8: Uhhuhher ( $26.1 )
Seat 9: gradya13 ( $23.75 )
Seat 10: lilgrlnifer ( $7.9 )
Seat 4: BigBsHand ( $10 )
Seat 6: mattprc ( $25 )
fulltiltnavy posts small blind [$0.1].
Uhhuhher posts big blind [$0.25].
BigBsHand posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 3s 3d ]
>You have options at Table 36582 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36582 Table!.
>You have options at Table 14099 Table!.
gradya13 folds.
lilgrlnifer folds.
Hero calls [$0.25].
DAS25 folds.
amybeone folds.
BigBsHand checks.
Huck_43310 folds.
fulltiltnavy folds.
Uhhuhher raises [$1.75].
>You have options at Table 36582 Table!.
Hero calls [$1.75].
BigBsHand folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 3h, Jc ]
Uhhuhher bets [$2].
>You have options at Table 14099 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36582 Table!.
Hero calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
Uhhuhher checks.
Hero bets [$5].
Uhhuhher calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Uhhuhher checks.
Hero checks.
Uhhuhher shows [ Qd, Qc ] a full house, Jacks full of queens.
hero doesn't show [ 3s, 3d ] a full house, Jacks full of threes.
Uhhuhher wins $17.45 from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of queens.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I woulda bet more on the flop and turn.

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Old 05-24-2005, 05:39 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise on the flop. Alot. Slowplaying small sets is no good.
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Old 05-24-2005, 05:53 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Slow-playing any set usually doesn't make much sense.
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Old 05-24-2005, 05:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Well, the outcome was pretty much just bad luck - but you could have possibly taken this pot down, and also made more money in the long run, by playing this differently.

- raise (at least min-raise) the flop
- bet bigger on the turn; you have the full but you're showing trip jacks. If he has a jack he'll raise you, if he doesn't he'll probably fold here.

Don't slowplay little sets... bad idea, makes you less money, costs you more pots.
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Old 05-24-2005, 06:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Well, the outcome was pretty much just bad luck - but you could have possibly taken this pot down, and also made more money in the long run, by playing this differently.

- raise (at least min-raise) the flop
- bet bigger on the turn; you have the full but you're showing trip jacks. If he has a jack he'll raise you, if he doesn't he'll probably fold here.

Don't slowplay little sets... bad idea, makes you less money, costs you more pots.

I agree with most of what dale is saying here. However, in this case I don't think QQ is going anywhere. A large flop raise might make him think about folding the turn when the second J hit but you would be surprised how attached people get to TT-AA even when it is fairly obvious that they are beaten. Not easy to make those hands fold unless you are up against an aware player.
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:01 PM #7 (permalink)  
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he wasn't folding no matter what, except maybe on the turn but thats unlikely, when you flop a set or turn a boat you shouldnt be trying to get people out of the hand and take it down right then, you just got unlucky
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
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you Have to Raise on the flop...Granted hes sticking with you to the end, and you did hit a bad runner runner....but you have to play that more aggresive with him betting into you...at least I would.
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