flop float river bluff, bad move or no?

You don't rep much at all and massively overbet jamming looks a huge amount bluffier than betting a normal amount.

If you aren't sure of his barreling tendencies, I think bluff raising the flop would be better than calling. Despite the fact we don't rep much and never really have anything, villain is likely a poor hand reader if we decide to just make an assumption based on the average random at 25nl about how he's going to react. Most likely will just fold all air, and perhaps call 1 or 2 streets with a pair depending on how the board runs out. We have some backdoor draws which will produce good barrel cards. Raising the flop will also threaten your opponents stack early in the hand because he will have to guess at whether or not he will face multiple streets of betting.

I like raising the turn since you've picked up some outs. It's a bit more of a standard danger line than call/call/jam river too. I like M2M's suggestion too tho.

You don't have any reads on villain? Whether it's profitable or not depends on those, but you're doing this to someone who opened UTG 5x and 3 barrelled, even if the river is a blocking bet.

Were you considering a river shove earlier in the hand, or did you just call down to the river and then react to villain's betsize?

preflop call is questionable. fold flop. This is a terrible texture to bluff at cos your value range is so thin. Maybe try bluffraising the flop once and make a note - I doubt that that's profitable as well. There are sweet things you can do against high cbet frequencies on paired flops but not really if there's almost no air in his range

Really fold pre cos you should be raising the turn if you decide to float and river is no good cos there's so few bet/folding rivers going on at the micros - especially after he bets three streets. He will level himself into thinking he induced a bluffraise from whatever by his sizing way too often.

Just stay ahead of their fucking range and you'll pwn and move up. No need to get that tricky... ever. Even if it was good.
which it is not.

i agree with above. don't see any reason to really get into any trouble with this one unless you have some pretty strong statistics/reads on his cbetting/barreling.

i don't like preflop call and the overthe top all in shove

Originally Posted by Johnny Cashout

i don't like preflop call and the overthe top all in shove

I like the river shove, I prefer raising turn as said but I do like the river shove. What we don't have though is enough info on villain to know how good it is. This is because we know we've taken a strong line, a lot of villain's would recognise we're taking a strong line, but it comes down to their stubbornness or their mental handicap.

Villain's call with 99 here is either sick or retarded depending on whether or not they bet the river to induce, and at these stakes if that would be unlikely with an overpair it's fucking improbable with an underpair. So, far more retarded than sick. Instead of villain thinking "hero floated my flop bet, but will also call turn because it's a pretty decent barrel card, so now he's got to the river with a wide-ish range I might be able to get maximize the amount of his stack I get by inducing", what villain is really thinking is "derp derp derp bet small has to call oh I wins derp".

Nice move, apparently wrong villain, unless you have reads to post which you missed out previously.

Oh, and don't post results next time, you would have got a far better discussion.

someone please explain why the river shove is bad

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

someone please explain why the river shove is bad

As played, the river shove is great.

ofc river shove is good in a vaccuum. If I open raise 85bb's with 89s and get shoved on, calling is brilliant as well. It's how you get there.

Not enough for villain ITT.

minraise the turn to rep the J.

Hate raising turn with pretty much everything