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Old 11-08-2006, 12:05 PM     Post subject: AT, A on flop, is this donked up (10NL) #1 (permalink)  
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Button's HUD stats are 40/5, Button's are 50/0. Is this donked up? Where's my check-down convention when I need it?

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Hero ($10.15)
CO ($10.40)
Button ($2.85)
SB ($10.20)
BB ($7.80)
UTG ($3.50)
UTG+1 ($10.55)
MP1 ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, T.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.25) 5, J, A (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2.45, BB calls $2.45, Hero calls $1.45.

Turn: ($8.60) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($8.60) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $8.60
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Old 11-08-2006, 12:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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That hh is fucked. Flop shows 3 players to see the turn, but turn and river show 2 players.

BB checks, then there's a bet and raise. Then he cold calls. This should set off alarm bells. With this action, I would fold unless you've seen either of them do donktastic things recently.
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Old 11-08-2006, 12:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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That hh is fucked. Flop shows 3 players to see the turn, but turn and river show 2 players.
Button is AI

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BB checks, then there's a bet and raise. Then he cold calls. This should set off alarm bells. With this action, I would fold unless you've seen either of them do donktastic things recently.
Yeah, having trouble adjusting from SNGs to cash - at a SNG I would call this all day long and hope to check down with the other stack (as happened here).
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Button is AI
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 This actually looks fine to me except I'd value bet the river.

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Old 11-09-2006, 01:14 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Isnt a coldcall here a flush draw?
That said Id value bet the river
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:49 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I would not raise AT offsuit at MP2 PF. I limp if board is
passive or fold in aggressive table.
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:58 AM #8 (permalink)  
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A preflop raise is completely standard here. I think limping is quite bad at just about any table.

I think you played the hand fine taipan. This shortstack could be pushing any ace and you're getting good pot odds. Probably fold if the cold caller leads the turn. If you lost, oh well, you don't have to be good all that often for this to be a call.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:32 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Playing AToffsuit is not for beginners. Its terrible hand
full ring. I would not raise it because:

1. What are you going to do if you hit? How do you
handle pressure?
2. What are you going to do if you dont hit?.

I suggest you limp it and play if u hit something or
fold it. Folding would be much simpler.
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Old 11-09-2006, 03:07 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Playing AToffsuit is not for beginners. Its terrible hand
full ring. I would not raise it because:

1. What are you going to do if you hit? How do you
handle pressure?
2. What are you going to do if you dont hit?.

I suggest you limp it and play if u hit something or
fold it. Folding would be much simpler.
He's not exactly a beginner.

Pre-flop when it's hero's turn to act it's 5 handed!! Raise (don't go broke with TP that's all).

1. Bet. Shirk away and hope for cheap showdown
2. Bet

OMG, open-limp ATo just to check/fold the +60% of the time you miss. That's a terrible idea.
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Old 11-23-2006, 01:22 PM #11 (permalink)  
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ATo is a fine hand to raise with, maybe from about MP -

I won't call a preflop raise with it though - I think this is where the domination possibility factors in alot that Turska is worried about.

Small pot hand unless you hit 2 pr or better.

As played the hand is fine I think as on the flop mr cold call $2+ could either be on a flush draw or a monster or low possibility of another ace ?

You can't really give him incorrect odds to call the turn without grossly inflating the pot for a monster to c/r you or a stronger ace to c/c you.

value bet river )

Quite nicely played.

If the c/c on the flop is to a bigger reraise like say it was $3.50 or something then I'd fold (AHiltz's point)
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