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Renton
Old 06-07-2006, 04:50 AM     Post subject: Five frustrating hands. #1 (permalink)  
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I am going to post my five most frustrating hands from the session of 200nl full ring I just finished.


Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 4457760961 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, June 06, 23:10:12 ET 2006
Table Table 96403 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: notswift ( $218.60 )
Seat 6: ninetruks ( $181.95 )
Seat 8: MegaTilt_R ( $205.30 )
Seat 10: fuzzblue ( $202.30 )
Seat 5: Beelzeboz0 ( $213.90 )
Seat 7: FFree82 ( $104.85 )
Seat 4: monatanban92 ( $195 )
Seat 9: Tatianna7777 ( $64 )
Seat 1: JamSpoonX ( $200 )
Seat 2: DoctorWine ( $74 )
FFree82 posts small blind [$1].
MegaTilt_R posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Qh As ]

Tatianna7777 calls [$2].
fuzzblue calls [$2].
DoctorWine folds.
notswift folds.
monatanban92 folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$11].
ninetruks folds.
FFree82 folds.
MegaTilt_R folds.
Tatianna7777 calls [$9].
fuzzblue folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, Ac, 9h ]

Tatianna7777 checks.
Beelzeboz0 bets [$18].
Tatianna7777 raises [$36].
Beelzeboz0 is all-In.
Tatianna7777 is all-In.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]

** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]




Hand 2

Villain was 50/30 for a really small sample.

***** Hand History for Game 4458119575 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, June 06, 23:50:15 ET 2006
Table Table 96499 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: pokerhard666 ( $206.80 )
Seat 6: jamman28 ( $200 )
Seat 8: Arkkipahis ( $201.25 )
Seat 1: Beelzeboz0 ( $200 )
Seat 9: MegaTilt_R ( $464.40 )
Seat 5: Sla_cker ( $156.20 )
Seat 2: DrugsR4Kids ( $336.70 )
Seat 4: yru477 ( $149.25 )
Seat 7: thestylenew ( $97 )
Seat 10: justrich555 ( $204.65 )
pokerhard666 posts small blind [$1].
yru477 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Qh Ad ]

Sla_cker folds.
thestylenew folds.
Arkkipahis folds.
MegaTilt_R folds.
justrich555 calls [$2].
Beelzeboz0 raises [$9].
DrugsR4Kids folds.
pokerhard666 calls [$8].
yru477 calls [$7].
justrich555 calls [$7].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Qd, 9h ]

pokerhard666 checks.
yru477 checks.
justrich555 bets [$15].
Beelzeboz0 raises [$45].
pokerhard666 folds.
yru477 folds.
justrich555 raises [$60].
Beelzeboz0 folds.





Hand 3

***** Hand History for Game 4458332569 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 07, 00:16:04 ET 2006
Table Table 107190 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: GotMoneyInc ( $210.03 )
Seat 4: MyAHoleItch ( $149.88 )
Seat 6: Beelzeboz0 ( $203 )
Seat 2: monatanban92 ( $283.66 )
Seat 1: bowtieman200 ( $67.93 )
Seat 7: PETER777333 ( $75.71 )
Seat 9: Schlongero ( $151.74 )
Seat 5: kidneyshots ( $193 )
Seat 10: pol33 ( $81 )
Beelzeboz0 posts small blind [$1].
PETER777333 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Ks Kd ]

Schlongero calls [$2].
pol33 folds.
bowtieman200 folds.
monatanban92 folds.
GotMoneyInc folds.
MyAHoleItch calls [$2].
kidneyshots calls [$2].
Beelzeboz0 raises [$12].
PETER777333 calls [$11].
Schlongero folds.
MyAHoleItch folds.
kidneyshots calls [$11].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Jd, Qs ]

Beelzeboz0 bets [$25].
PETER777333 is all-In.
TTAGRL has joined the table.
kidneyshots folds.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$37.71].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]

** Dealing River ** [ Td ]





Hand 4

Villain is 24/6 for a small sample.

***** Hand History for Game 4457738948 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, June 06, 23:07:46 ET 2006
Table Table 97658 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jonsnake316 ( $122.60 )
Seat 2: sprayatola ( $36.10 )
Seat 3: RMyers ( $66.05 )
Seat 4: DunlopU ( $233.80 )
Seat 5: BootyBangin ( $365.45 )
Seat 7: JohnnySky81 ( $341.45 )
Seat 8: UGA73Dawg ( $101.50 )
Seat 9: JHOOD33 ( $162.50 )
Seat 10: eddy8ball ( $27.40 )
Seat 6: Beelzeboz0 ( $205.20 )
Beelzeboz0 posts small blind [$1].
JohnnySky81 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Ac As ]

UGA73Dawg folds.
JHOOD33 folds.
eddy8ball folds.
jonsnake316 calls [$2].
sprayatola folds.
RMyers folds.
DunlopU folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$8].
JohnnySky81 folds.
jonsnake316 calls [$7].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 2d, 8d ]

Beelzeboz0 bets [$12].
jonsnake316 calls [$12].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]

Beelzeboz0 bets [$25].
jonsnake316 calls [$25].

** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]

Beelzeboz0 checks.
jonsnake316 checks.




Hand 5

Villain is loose and passive.

***** Hand History for Game 4457730700 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, June 06, 23:06:51 ET 2006
Table Table 96375 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ffsgetoverit ( $198 )
Seat 2: therealp1112 ( $187.22 )
Seat 3: wp6696 ( $165.70 )
Seat 5: The_Tuz ( $168.43 )
Seat 6: MKCRDGNS ( $282.36 )
Seat 7: Arkkipahis ( $228 )
Seat 8: roadblock32 ( $172.94 )
Seat 9: Anytwo72 ( $434.03 )
Seat 10: EazyMony ( $187.35 )
Seat 4: Beelzeboz0 ( $211.75 )
ffsgetoverit posts small blind [$1].
therealp1112 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ As Qc ]

wp6696 folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$7].
MKCRDGNS folds.
Arkkipahis folds.
roadblock32 folds.
Anytwo72 calls [$7].
EazyMony folds.
ffsgetoverit folds.
therealp1112 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Ts, 6d ]

Beelzeboz0 bets [$11].
Anytwo72 calls [$11].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]

Beelzeboz0 checks.
Anytwo72 checks.

** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]

Beelzeboz0 bets [$11].
Anytwo72 calls [$11].
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: looks good, you're way ahead of a random short stacked donk's range here

hand 2: hard to say without actually playing in the hand. Also, raising amounts are very confusing in this HH. I'd consider calling and getting the rest in on the turn with this much money in the pot and how much this guy's been splashing around, but you probably made a good fold. Again, hard to say.

How much did he raise to on his 3rd bet (so i can figure out these hh's)?

hand 3: savor these opportunities, easy money

hand 4: looks good

hand 5: I'm leaning towards betting this turn, and checking this river, but I think it's ok as played. You're not really too concerned about giving a free card on the turn, and a LP villain usually doesn't bluff raise this river, so I tihnk it's ok.
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:15 AM #3 (permalink)  
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How much did he raise to on his 3rd bet (so i can figure out these hh's)?


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Hero ($200)
Button ($336.70)
SB ($206.80)
BB ($149.25)
UTG ($156.20)
UTG+1 ($97)
MP1 ($201.25)
MP2 ($464.40)
MP3 ($204.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, A. SB posts a blind of $1.
4 folds, MP3 calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $8, BB calls $7, MP3 calls $7.

Flop: ($36) 5, Q, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 bets $15, Hero raises to $45, SB folds, BB folds, MP3 raises to $75, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $156
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:45 AM     Post subject: hmmm... #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 : I hate shortstacks. That is all.

Hand 2 : Probably a good fold. The re-reraise is scary. I can't see him doing that with a nut flush draw or anything you're leading. Unless he's a fish, nice fold.

Hand 3 : This exact same hand happened to me today as well. Dude, you should've know a second queen was coming. Easy fold.

Hand 4 : I think you played it perfectly.

Hand 5 : I probably bet this turn. His call will tell me a lot more than this check and i'll have a clearer idea of what's up given that scary river. Just seems weird to check the turn, and then throw out a feeler bet on river. Shouldn't you be making that bet on the turn? Anyway just throwing out that idea, i'm sure as played it's fine.


Anyway, seems like you're doing all the right things. I never see you on party anymore for some reason, maybe because I'm playing mostly 6MAx.

It'll turn around dude.

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Old 06-07-2006, 08:48 AM     Post subject: Re: hmmm... #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 3 : This exact same hand happened to me today as well. Dude, you should've know a second queen was coming. Easy fold.
Nah, he had QJ.

I never post bad beats in the hh forum.

That being said, there was enough money in preflop, where he didn't have implied odds with QJ at all, it it was kinda a bad beat.
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:16 PM     Post subject: Re: hmmm... #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 : I hate shortstacks. That is all.
Me too. They play terrible, get the way worst of it and never put me to a difficult decsion. I don't know how you guys put up with that crap!
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:32 PM     Post subject: Hmmm... #7 (permalink)  
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Put you to easy decisions?
I was referring to the fact that when shorties get into a pot with you, they're pot committed and will often push any flop regardless. I don't think that gives you an 'easy decision. It's definitely a leak in my game to put myself in situations when I have a medium pair up to Jacks and I peel a flop with a shorty. I find it puts me on tough decisions, as there are no implied odds involved.
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:36 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I tend to hit TP and put the shorty all in, then and there. I come out ahead most often.
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:24 PM     Post subject: Re: Hmmm... #9 (permalink)  
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It's definitely a leak in my game to put myself in situations when I have a medium pair up to Jacks and I peel a flop with a shorty.
Why peel? Figure out if you're good and if you are gamble with him!

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I find it puts me on tough decisions, as there are no implied odds involved.
Because implied odd make for easy decisions or a blanket justification for bad play?
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 i love shortstacks except in situations like the above session where they limp/call against me with dominating aces and we flop an ace.
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Old 06-07-2006, 11:51 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i love shortstacks except in situations like the above session where they limp/call against me with dominating aces and we flop an ace.
No different than sucking out really, just another form of luck helping the guy tending to get the worst of it. It's not like you lose your shirt and doubling one of these guys increases the +EV of future hands at the table until they bust or leave.
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i love shortstacks except in situations like the above session where they limp/call against me with dominating aces and we flop an ace.
No different than sucking out really, just another form of luck helping the guy tending to get the worst of it. It's not like you lose your shirt and doubling one of these guys increases the +EV of future hands at the table until they bust or leave.
I made a related arguement in the Beginner's Circle as why I like tiny stacks to my left (tight if possible). Though they have position on me, they cannot put me in a tricky situation. Several seemed to strongly disagree with me. How do you feel about having a tiny stack (<15BB) to your left, Fnord?
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How do you feel about having a tiny stack (<15BB) to your left, Fnord?
Indifferent. Depends if I have someone who's even more exploitable on my right.

The problem with giving shorties position is they will be better about hand selection entering pots instead of getting sucked in. Also, I open enough pots with hands that don't play well all-in that they can make +EV pushes over me with a fair range.
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Old 06-08-2006, 03:49 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i love shortstacks except in situations like the above session where they limp/call against me with dominating aces and we flop an ace.
I'm thrilled when I have AQ and we catch an ace, personally.
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i love shortstacks except in situations like the above session where they limp/call against me with dominating aces and we flop an ace.
No different than sucking out really, just another form of luck helping the guy tending to get the worst of it. It's not like you lose your shirt and doubling one of these guys increases the +EV of future hands at the table until they bust or leave.
I made a related arguement in the Beginner's Circle as why I like tiny stacks to my left (tight if possible). Though they have position on me, they cannot put me in a tricky situation. Several seemed to strongly disagree with me. How do you feel about having a tiny stack (<15BB) to your left, Fnord?
I was making the argument that in general, I hate having short stacks in my left. I generally used 40bb if I remember correctly. Once the stacks get really small, I'd agree that it becomes less of a problem. But I still want them on my right in most situations to be perfectly honest.
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 I dont see any check raises especially on the AA hand.
How often do you check raise with the goods and/or air?
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