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Toadstool
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09-13-2005, 02:28 AM
Post subject: Fish online tells
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
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I have noticed a few common signs that point out a fish to me. if i see one of these signs i will put 'S' in player notes, if i see another i will put 'H' until it spells 'SHIT' then i basically know what kind of player im dealing with.
here are a few signs i have noticed.
1. if the minraise preflop, i.e. the raise to (0.5) at 25NL - A good player would not do this as its pointless.
2.if the reminraise before or after the flop. such as post flop somebody bets 0.25, they then remiraise to 0.5, even more so if there opponant then reminraises to 0.75 etc.
3.if the have the 'Bet Pot' option checked before or after flop, players can miss a lot of opportunities using this.
I have never seen a good player do any of these things.
other, more obvious things are pushing allin for $20 into a pot of $2, not just once but often (more than once every 5 hands) - its a recipe for losing money.
calling bet bets on the river with middle/bottom pair, or an AI on a draw etc.
has anyone else noticed any more 'tells' for bad players?
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lolzzz_321
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09-13-2005, 06:18 AM
Post subject: Re: Fish online tells
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by Toadstool
I have never seen a good player do any of these things.
other, more obvious things are pushing allin for $20 into a pot of $2
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I do this and get paid off by fish, son.
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Laeelin
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09-13-2005, 06:23 AM
Post subject: Re: Fish online tells
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by Triptanes
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Originally Posted by Toadstool
I have never seen a good player do any of these things.
other, more obvious things are pushing allin for $20 into a pot of $2
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I do this and get paid off by fish, son. |
Ditto
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fender55
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Diego CA
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I have nototiced, in my limited experience... that fish tend to be a little more passive.
however, they tend to call your bets on a draw when you bring them all in, when you have top pair. This is great when they don't make their strait or flush draws and you take their whole stack. Most fish don't know about pot odds, so I tend to bet the pot when I know I have them beat, just to watch them call me ttrying to get their hand.
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Cory
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BIGandRICH
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09-13-2005, 09:24 AM
Post subject: Re: Fish online tells
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jazz Club
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Originally Posted by Toadstool
2.if the reminraise before or after the flop.
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I min checkraise on the flop with the big hands against aggressive players.. they often call you and then when you check the turn it looks like a weak attemp at a steal.. they can not resist pushing. Any one else do this?
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: over there
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I check/minraise a set on the flop if I think he'll call.
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nomore
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I will minraise a large pot, and check on a small pot if holding a set or better (unless its a scary looking flop in which case i'd push it) .
If theres a $5 pot and I bet .25c, i will, more often than not get called or re-raised.
If I bet .25c into a $1 pot then generally i expect people to fold, unless they have a hand of course.
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edudlive
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 100NL 6max
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If I'm playing more than one table I have my betting options checked before it gets to me 
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
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How does all of us fish ever make any money? Sheesh...
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DaHorror
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I definitely see fish min-raise every fricking pocket pair. Woohoo I have deuces in the big blind baby - let's make that .2o to go instead of .10 - (after the entire table has limped to you). Gotta show strength preflop with this hot hand ya know!
Definitely my biggest pet peeve.
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Coop
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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I'll min raise preflop when there are multiple limpers and I'm holding a nice multi way hand such as a suited ace. This just builds the pot since most of the limpers will call the min raise and increases the odds that someone will stay in if you hit your hand since the size of the pot makes it tough to lay down mediocre hands.
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Zangief
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Originally Posted by Coop
I'll min raise preflop when there are multiple limpers and I'm holding a nice multi way hand such as a suited ace. This just builds the pot since most of the limpers will call the min raise and increases the odds that someone will stay in if you hit your hand since the size of the pot makes it tough to lay down mediocre hands.
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But doesn't this cut your implied odds for those hands in half since it costs twice as much to play it? I always try to get in as cheaply as possible with these speculative hands.
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EricE
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Min check raising the flop when you hit your set is a winner. I pulled this last night and he instantly went AI. He had TP. 
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Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
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PokerPatNEU
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by Coop
I'll min raise preflop when there are multiple limpers and I'm holding a nice multi way hand such as a suited ace. This just builds the pot since most of the limpers will call the min raise and increases the odds that someone will stay in if you hit your hand since the size of the pot makes it tough to lay down mediocre hands.
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Zangrief is right this is a dangerous play. When dealt speculative hands (read: starting hands that hopefully give you a strong draw) you want to see as many people to the flop for as cheap as possible. If 3 people limp to you on the button, you min raise, BB calls, 3 limpers call again....Now the pot is 10BB instead of 5BB. If you pick up a draw, and someone else picks up TPTK, they are going to be betting 5-8BB into that pot that you will have to pay to draw...rather tahn 2-3BB into the un-minraised pot.
The only time i see any value in min raising pre flop is if you hold AA/KK and someone has raised in front of you, and no one else is in the hand. Then you want to juice the pot up because you have the best hand. If you think he'll call more than a min raise, bet that much. But if he's tight, min raise has some value. The only set back here is that a good player will recognize this minraise for a strong hand and likely not stick around if he doesnt connect with the flop.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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This is too funny. Acting like a fish (ie. AI into a $2 pot) vs. fish when you have the nuts is something I have never tried. I'll try this out if the situation arises. Every time this happens to me and I have a strong hand (but not the nuts), I lay it down but I'm very tempted to call vs. fishy players. Some people won't resists. Those people should be punished accordingly.
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Lukie
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: back with a vengeance
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Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU
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Originally Posted by Coop
I'll min raise preflop when there are multiple limpers and I'm holding a nice multi way hand such as a suited ace. This just builds the pot since most of the limpers will call the min raise and increases the odds that someone will stay in if you hit your hand since the size of the pot makes it tough to lay down mediocre hands.
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Zangrief is right this is a dangerous play. When dealt speculative hands (read: starting hands that hopefully give you a strong draw) you want to see as many people to the flop for as cheap as possible. If 3 people limp to you on the button, you min raise, BB calls, 3 limpers call again....Now the pot is 10BB instead of 5BB. If you pick up a draw, and someone else picks up TPTK, they are going to be betting 5-8BB into that pot that you will have to pay to draw...rather tahn 2-3BB into the un-minraised pot.
The only time i see any value in min raising pre flop is if you hold AA/KK and someone has raised in front of you, and no one else is in the hand. Then you want to juice the pot up because you have the best hand. If you think he'll call more than a min raise, bet that much. But if he's tight, min raise has some value. The only set back here is that a good player will recognize this minraise for a strong hand and likely not stick around if he doesnt connect with the flop. |
That's a horrible way to play KK/AA...
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Coop
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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[quote="PokerPatNEU"]Zangrief is right this is a dangerous play. When dealt speculative hands (read: starting hands that hopefully give you a strong draw) you want to see as many people to the flop for as cheap as possible. If 3 people limp to you on the button, you min raise, BB calls, 3 limpers call again....Now the pot is 10BB instead of 5BB. If you pick up a draw, and someone else picks up TPTK, they are going to be betting 5-8BB into that pot that you will have to pay to draw...rather tahn 2-3BB into the un-minraised pot.
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I don't agree. If I hit a four-flush on the flop, I'm not calling a pot-size bet whether its 4xBB or 8xBB. I'm out 2 BB, but that is not a very likely outcome when everyone limped to me pre-flop. The more likely scenarios are:
1. Someone catches a piece of the flop, but doesn't hammer it, in which case they may test the waters with a 1/2 pot or less bet. Now I can choose to draw if I think he will pay off if I hit or fold if the player is fairly tight. (Pot odds aren't there, so it's a question of expected value.)
2. Everyone checks around to me, in which case I can choose to semi bluff to possibly take it down here and increase the chances opponents will call if the flush shows up on the board. Remember, I showed a little strength pre-flop improving the odds of the bluff working as well as disguising the flush. If I choose to check rather than semi bluff, my min raise pre-flop has bought me a free card.
3. An ace comes, in which case I have to find out if I've got the only ace. If someone hits the pot before me, I probably lay it down. If it checks around to me, a half-pot size bet will probably tell me if I've got the only ace. Since I raised pre-flop most people are not going to call that bet without an ace and a pretty good kicker. (In which case I'm getting check-raised here and have to lay it down.)
Anyway, I've found that this little min raise allows me to collect a few pots when I don't hit the big hand and increases the likelyhood of getting paid off when the monster does hit.
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