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benny999

07-03-2006, 08:36 PM Post subject: a few tricky hands

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I have no read in these hands. I'm not sure about how I played...what do you think??

#1

Doesn't this check flop, check/raise turn line look like a bluff or semi bluff? Are you willing to call it down or raise?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($45.15)
MP2 ($54.12)
MP3 ($147.30)
CO ($51.75)
Button ($39.25)
SB ($50.78)
BB ($49.96)
UTG ($67.85)
Hero ($50)
UTG+2 ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

, Q

. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 8 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) 6

, 9

, A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($5.75) 8

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $9. Hero folds??

#2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($101.65)
CO ($16.10)
Button ($19.20)
SB ($83.55)
BB ($18.38)
UTG ($66.90)
UTG+1 ($42.60)
MP1 ($42.25)
MP2 ($10.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

What do you think of the pre flop raise, considering 3 of 4 players with less then 40bb stacks are ahead of me and I don't know if they're the rocky or call station types yet?

Flop: ($6.25) 7

, 4

, Q

(3 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

Not worried of draws...I think I wanted to get all by the river, but maybe got greedy trying to keep button in on the flop.

Turn: ($12.25) 4

(3 players)
BB bets $4, Hero raises to $8, Button is all in $15.20, BB calls all in, Hero calls $7.20???.

Overplayed?

River: ($53) 8

(3 players)

Final Pot: $53

#3 - wow I played this passively...just one of those I decided to call down hoping for a bluff or worse hand (TPGK or something). I'm thinking leading the turn and folding to a raise is better without a read. How do you play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($45.70)
MP2 ($80.32)
MP3 ($23.90)
CO ($38.70)
Button ($50)
SB ($39.45)
BB ($53.80)
UTG ($19)
Hero ($64.65)
UTG+2 ($19.58)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6

, A

. CO posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 6

, 3

, A

(4 players)
BB folds, Hero bets $3, UTG+2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $5.

Sometimes I overbet to rep a bluff or to try and get someone to overplay TPGK into my two pair.

Turn: ($18.25) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($38.25) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO calls $20.20 (All-In), Hero calls $20.20.

Final Pot: $78.65

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Miffed22001

07-03-2006, 08:47 PM

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hand 1
bet the flop, fold to a raise. If called check behind on turn and possibly call a small river bet or else just fold.
I hate checking behind here as enough times youll get credit for the ace.

hand2
raise the lead, fold to a 3 bet and be carefull of players cold calling ur raise behind. You want to isolate with tp on the flop and hopefully check behind on the turn or bet if opp is a fish so you get good value and lose the least if opp led only bcoz he had a better hand

hand3 is more tricky
I dont mind limping with sooted aces at loose passive tables so i dont mind preflop.
Wat are opps stats? If you think its a set or opp is tight then i dont mind you line. However if opp is a fish then call flop and c/r all in on the turn. It looks like top two no good perhaps because CO has 150oddbbs and wants to get it all in...

benny999

07-03-2006, 09:20 PM

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Thanks for the help..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

hand 1
bet the flop, fold to a raise. If called check behind on turn and possibly call a small river bet or else just fold.
I hate checking behind here as enough times youll get credit for the ace.

What about the famous thread http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-21766.htm This checking an Ace flop w/ QQ/KK and calling small/medium bets (or betting the turn when checked to twice) seems to work for me a lot.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

hand2
raise the lead, fold to a 3 bet and be carefull of players cold calling ur raise behind. You want to isolate with tp on the flop and hopefully check behind on the turn or bet if opp is a fish so you get good value and lose the least if opp led only bcoz he had a better hand

Yea that seems better, but a lot of these shortys go all in with mid pairs and crap...but I think I should just treat them more like a regular stack without a more player specific read.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

hand3 is more tricky
I dont mind limping with sooted aces at loose passive tables so i dont mind preflop.
Wat are opps stats? If you think its a set or opp is tight then i dont mind you line. However if opp is a fish then call flop and c/r all in on the turn. It looks like top two no good perhaps because CO has 150oddbbs and wants to get it all in...

I just double checked, and this was the one and only hand I played against opp. I like check/push, except it folds possible bluffs. Still, the pot seems big enough by then, and calling off bluffs isn't the best way to make $...Also, wtf is 150oddbbs?

andy-akb

07-03-2006, 11:43 PM

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1) Bet flop, fold turn

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With KK and a spade I check here, with red kings I think I may bet for protection. On a dry ace-high board checking against most players with KK in position is the "correct" play. On an ace-high board with a FD and QQ I am betting. KK is WA/WB, If you are behind you are drawing to 2 outs, if you are ahead your opponents typically have two outs. With QQ or something like JJ your opponents arent as far behind, so you should bet for value and protection.
2) Im still probably raising this flop even though it isnt drawy at all, I want more money in. Given stack sizes I may just push over the turn bet, I dont really like a minraise, and after that raise I dont think you can fold for $7.20 when it gets back to you especially without any reads
3) Why overbet the flop? Id make it about $2, do you find this works? Do you ever overbet with a bluff? If you call that minraise I think you need to hammer the turn, given the stack sizes though I wouldnt mind a checkraise here, but Id be a little worried about a set. As played I dont think you can fold that river without a read and after calling that turn.

benny999

07-05-2006, 12:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy-akb

1) Bet flop, fold turn

Quote:

Yea I think you're right without a read and especially because the flush draw is out.

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

2) Im still probably raising this flop even though it isnt drawy at all, I want more money in. Given stack sizes I may just push over the turn bet, I dont really like a minraise, and after that raise I dont think you can fold for $7.20 when it gets back to you especially without any reads

agreed...shoulda raised flop. results = one had 99 and the other had A4. doh!

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

3) Why overbet the flop? Id make it about $2, do you find this works? Do you ever overbet with a bluff? If you call that minraise I think you need to hammer the turn, given the stack sizes though I wouldnt mind a checkraise here, but Id be a little worried about a set. As played I dont think you can fold that river without a read and after calling that turn.

Overbetting the flop is a move that has worked out for me generally, but I don't do it much. When it works it's because someone has a "strong when weak" read on me or in general, or just overvalues top pair and such. Some situations are having a set and suspecting an overpair or on draw boards vs call stations, or if the pot gets really bloated pre flop then I do it with AA/KK. It's almost never a bluff but meant to look like one, so it isn't good vs aware opps and prob won't work at higher levels.

I got into a mess doing it with TTP and no read here (just that table was generally passive according to stats). Villain actually showed Q3o, but still I don't think this was a good line for me long-term without a read villain is capable of such moves.

Miffed22001

07-05-2006, 02:48 AM

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This is just weak imo. How often does he expect you to have an ace here?
Not beting is advertisement, at least make your opponent make a decision.

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