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johnny_fish

04-05-2006, 05:28 PM Post subject: A few line checks.

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1) Tight passive opponent. Leaking money at flop/turn? Thought he'd slowplay a set on this board..

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2.00/$4.00
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.00
UTG+1: $36.50
MP1: $503.00
MP2: $354.84
MP3: $603.31
CO: $391.20
Button: $766.60
Hero: $676.90
BB: $390.00

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K

2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $22, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 2

($86, 4 players)
Hero bets $40, MP1 raises to $120, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 7

($326, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $32, Hero calls.

River: 8

($390, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $164, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $164 returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: $390

2) Thinking Tag. Standard?

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2.00/$4.00
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $441.70
UTG+1: $378.60
MP1: $434.60
MP2: $489.88
Hero: $560.30
CO: $40.00
Button: $296.20
SB: $857.55
BB: $558.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with A

UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises to $16, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 9

($38, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 2

($38, 2 players)
UTG bets $16, Hero raises to $40, UTG raises to $128, Hero calls.

River: 2

($278, 2 players)
UTG is all-in $313.7, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $313.7 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $278

3) No read. Couldn't interpret flop call, so I checked the turn. Big mistake?

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2.00/$4.00
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $857.55
UTG+1: $556.40
UTG+2: $570.70
MP1: $433.10
MP2: $430.60
MP3: $441.88
CO: $394.00
Hero: $426.30
SB: $56.40
BB: $280.20

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with 9

5 folds, MP3 raises to $16, CO folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: K

($38, 2 players)
MP3 bets $36, Hero raises to $100, MP3 calls.

Turn: Q

($238, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: T

($238, 2 players)
MP3 bets $80, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $80 returned to MP3.

Results:
Final pot: $238

4) Villain is fishy. Check river?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2.00/$4.00
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $384.70
UTG+1: $51.50
UTG+2: $358.63
MP1: $375.70
MP2: $490.00
MP3: $36.00
CO: $394.00
Hero: $475.70
SB: $333.65
BB: $418.60

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with 8

7 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9

($28, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $36, Hero calls.

Turn: 8

($100, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40, SB calls.

River: 7

($180, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $100

5) No read. Standard check at river?

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $390.00
UTG+1: $441.70
UTG+2: $70.40
MP1: $929.95
MP2: $413.10
MP3: $385.35
CO: $394.00
Button: $441.00
SB: $47.10
BB: $424.90

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to $16, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: Q

($38, 2 players)
Hero bets $25, MP3 calls.

Turn: A

($88, 2 players)
Hero bets $50, MP3 raises to $100, Hero calls.

River: Q

($288, 2 players)
Hero checks,

6)No read. I made two mistakes in this hand IMO, could you spot them?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
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9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $396.00
UTG+1: $351.50
MP1: $414.10
MP2: $177.62
MP3: $644.21
CO: $317.20
Button: $564.50
Hero: $557.40
BB: $235.80

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with Q

4 folds, MP3 raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $52, BB calls, MP3 folds.

Flop: 2

($118, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: 4

($118, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: 5

($118, 2 players)
Hero bets $50,

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johnny_fish

04-07-2006, 07:03 PM

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*Bump*

Too standard/uninteresting?

Lukie

04-16-2006, 11:55 PM

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bump bump bump

I was meaning to reply to this baby a while ago but I forgot.

AKo: I think this is really bad. It's a 4 way flop and you still lead [edit: i dont think the lead is bad, but not folding to a TP raise probably is] , and you still get raised big on a drawless board. If you don't fold here, you have to be aware that all your money is going into the middle. Truthfully I think I get stacked here often with so much money in the pot already, but against a tight/passive, I think you can find a laydown on the flop. Given that we enter this hand 125bb eff stacks against a TP, I really do think this is a flop muck.

AA: I really think you should fire this flop here. Don't let him turn a set, plus it makes your decisions easier. As played, I probably talk myself into a call at the end, as there's only 2 hands that we are afraid of here.. 66 and 99. I dunno though, depends on what I thought of the guy.

99: I think this is fine. Turn check for pot control and more importantly to have 10 outs to a big hand.

89o: check behind river. Any 5, 6, T, and JJ+ all have you beat. Yet it's very possible you have the best hand. I don't see any value here unless he's a donkey and calling with A9 or something. Even then I don't think it's worth it.

AQo: hmm, tough one. I'm really kinda torn here because I don't know what the turn min-raise means. But given the board, and my assumption on the average player, he has a huge hand. To be honest, it's a move that I RARELY make on the river, but a c/r allin might be great here. To be even more honest, I'd probably just lead this river, obviously for value, hoping he raises behind. c/r allin is probably a higher variance, more +ev move though.

QQ: I don't even need a specific read for this hand. Just a few hands on whether or not I think the guy is a donkey REALLY helps

. Stats too. I definately think you should lead this flop though. As terrible as I think it is, I really don't think the average player is folding a hand like AKo here preflop...

bdawg56kg

04-17-2006, 12:18 AM

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AKo hand. I would bet about $60 on this flop. I think it makes your decisions easier. As played, you have to call the river if you call the flop raise. Folding here makes no sense. I don't mind dumping it on the flop if you think villian is nitty.

AA hand. How often do you not c-bet made hands? If you bet the flop the whole hand would play out differently. As played, I dunno, flip a coin and decide?

99 hand, looks fine to me.

89o hand, I'd probably check the river. If it were shorthanded I'd bet for sure, but at a full table, I'm most likely to check unless I have a read on villian.

AQ hand, I would just shove the river or value-bet if you don't think he calls a push. CR AI could work here too.

QQ hand, I don't hate the way you played it, but I'd probably lead the flop, and if I check flop, I def. bet turn. As played, I would pot this river. AA/KK is almost out of the question, so I think a pot bet gets a call a lot from 99-QQ.

Johnnyfish, just a suggestion, but you should really consider moving to 6-max. At 400NL+, the 6max games are much softer than the full ring games from what I've read on 2p2. Plus, you actually can play poker!

johnny_fish

04-17-2006, 12:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

Johnnyfish, just a suggestion, but you should really consider moving to 6-max. At 400NL+, the 6max games are much softer than the full ring games from what I've read on 2p2. Plus, you actually can play poker!

Good point. As a matter of fact I'm trying 100NL 6Max the last few days

So far I'm running 9.2 ptBB/100 over 6.6K hands. And it's really fun to play like a maniac (I'm not, but it sure feels like that at 29/17 compared to 17/8 full ring).

johnny_fish

04-17-2006, 01:01 AM

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AKo: Agreed, should've bet more.

AA: I sometimes check dry flops with KK/AA to induce bluffs and to make (over)pairs feel comfortable betting turn/river. Villain told later in the chat he held 99.

98: I was really confident he didn't have a 6 and could call with just a 9. He called & mucked.

AQ: Turn minraise indicated a big hand, I put him on AK/KQ, so I was sure he would bet the river (KQ would for sure, AK might if I checked) Anyway, Villain checked behind with JT

QQ: Cold call usually indicates AA/KK (those tight-passive *** like to trap with them), so I was ready to c/f the flop. After that I should realize he had AK and I should've bet the turn. After that, the only way to get a bit of value is to check the river (Villain folded river).

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