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Old 11-02-2006, 06:50 PM     Post subject: A few hand histories, what does villain have? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
POKERSTARS GAME : HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) -
Table 'Merope II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bluesman ($271.20 in chips)
Seat 2: GuiltyOJ ($64.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Vipercheers ($159.55 in chips)
Seat 4: hero ($518.20 in chips)
Seat 5: brooklyncyc ($101.85 in chips)
Seat 6: rukrazy2 ($578.65 in chips)
Seat 7: redargoe ($200 in chips)
Seat 8: villain ($198 in chips)
Seat 9: jpremiere ($403.40 in chips)
rukrazy2: posts small blind $1
redargoe: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero (6C 6D)
villain: raises $6 to $8
jpremiere: folds
Bluesman: folds
GuiltyOJ: folds
Vipercheers: folds
hero: calls $8
brooklyncyc: folds
rukrazy2: folds
redargoe: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h 9c 5d]
villain: bets $10
rukrazy2 is sitting out
hero: calls $10
*** TURN *** [4h 9c 5d] [8c]
villain: bets $20
hero: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [4h 9c 5d 8c] [9s]
villain: bets $60
hero ??

Hand 2:
POKERSTARS GAME : HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) -
Table 'Erato IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: villain ($191.80 in chips)
Seat 2: corona_light ($257.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Teadus ($38.90 in chips)
Seat 4: TheYeti ($297.95 in chips)
Seat 5: hingham10 ($179.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Raaif ($322.05 in chips)
Seat 7: thorladen ($196 in chips)
Seat 9: hero ($202.20 in chips)
hero: posts small blind $1
villain: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [QD AC]
corona_light: folds
Teadus: folds
TheYeti: folds
hingham10: calls $2
Raaif: folds
thorladen: folds
Hero: calls $1
villain: checks
*** FLOP *** [As Kh 6c]
Hero: bets $6
villain: raises $6 to $12
hingham10: folds
hero: calls $6
*** TURN *** [As Kh 6c] [Ad]
hero: checks
villain: bets $16
hero: calls $16
*** RIVER *** [As Kh 6c Ad] [6d]
hero: checks
villain: bets $161.80 and is all-in
hero???

Hand 3:
POKERSTARS GAME : HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) -
Table 'Adhafera III' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: stallionh ($180.95 in chips)
Seat 2: bn2b ($41 in chips)
Seat 3: hero ($202.70 in chips)
Seat 5: 33 x2b ($190.40 in chips)
Seat 6: villain ($235.25 in chips)
Seat 7: stella63 ($178.95 in chips)
Seat 8: lucasino ($242.40 in chips)
Seat 9: BlakeLovely3 ($261.90 in chips)
33 x2b: posts small blind $1
stella63 said, "COUCOU"
villain: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [KC AD]
MARVS has returned
stella63: folds
lucasino: folds
BlakeLovely3: folds
stallionh: folds
bn2b: folds
hero: raises $6 to $8
33 x2b: folds
villain: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [2s As 7d]
villain: checks
MARVS said, "coucou?"
hero: bets $10
villain: raises $10 to $20
hero: calls $10
*** TURN *** [2s As 7d] [Qh]
villain: bets $40
hero: calls $40
*** RIVER *** [2s As 7d Qh] [Ah]
villain: checks
stella63 said, "COMMENT VA ?"
hero ??
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Old 11-02-2006, 07:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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All that time to convert your name to hero and you still miss the very first time your name is mentioned. As for the hands, I'm not qualified to answer.
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Old 11-02-2006, 07:18 PM #3 (permalink)  
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All that time to convert your name to hero and you still miss the very first time your name is mentioned. As for the hands, I'm not qualified to answer.
TY and changed. Any comments?
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Old 11-02-2006, 07:25 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1: fold turn, def. fold river after not folding turn. He raised UTG and I'm inclined to give a second barrell from UTG credit.

2: I think it's close but I don't like risking that much just to get my money back. He's not bluffing here.

3: I bet $80 and call a push(duh).
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand #1 fold on the turn,

Hand #2 call, if you get beat by pocket kings giving a better FH or quads oh well.

Hand #3 exercise extreme caution as that could be a poison card that gives him a FH. I would be concerned about paying off a set turned fh here. I think he has you on an ace here and is reeling you in...
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:01 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: I'm gonna say a set, but obvious fold.
Hand 2: If he is smart, this is 66. If he's a donk, it's probably any ace. I really think this is a fold.
Hand 3: $65, im guessing a missed flush draw. My next guess is AJ.

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Old 11-02-2006, 10:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand #2 call, if you get beat by pocket kings giving a better FH or quads oh well.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I'm gonna say a set, but obvious fold.
Hand 2: If he is smart, this is 66. If he's a donk, it's probably any ace. I really think this is a fold.
Hand 3: $65, im guessing a missed flush draw. My next guess is AJ.

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I will let you know after a few more responses.
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Hand 1: I'm gonna say a set, but obvious fold.
Hand 2: If he is smart, this is 66. If he's a donk, it's probably any ace. I really think this is a fold.
Hand 3: $65, im guessing a missed flush draw. My next guess is AJ.

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Old 11-03-2006, 01:10 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I'm gonna say a set, but obvious fold.
Hand 2: If he is smart, this is 66. If he's a donk, it's probably any ace. I really think this is a fold.
Hand 3: $65, im guessing a missed flush draw. My next guess is AJ.

Am I right?
I will let you know after a few more responses.
No one else is going to post, tell me how ballin I am.
OK, I was villain in all three hands. I posted myself as villain because I think people usually give the most objective opinion about villains hands.

Hand 1: I had AK, I don't run this line a lot, but the player was showing no resistance and occasionally I nearly pot the river here. Villain folded. I don't know for sure he had 66, but thats what he said when he folded.

Hand 2: I had the quads here and villain called. I was wondering how many people would call this. This is a tough hand from villains perspective I think, because at best he is looking to split and I could easily have AK.

Hand 3: Here, I had PP 44 and I was trying to take it down on flop and turn. I dont like the way I played this hand and not just because of the results, but because my flop reraise was really weak, which didnt tell me much about his hand. By the way, villain checked and took down the pot.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:12 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Anyway, appreciate the responses. I may post some more like these, because I want to see how transparent my lines are. Sometimes its tough to imagine how other people will see your lines.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:14 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 Oh, I didn't understand that you were Villan. What were the results?
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Oh, I didn't understand that you were Villan. What were the results?
You were not supposed to know that. I posted the results a few posts up. By the way, in those posts when I discuss villain I meant the other player. Sorry to switch it around.
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Old 11-03-2006, 06:43 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Good idea to post hands as villain!

I wondered all the time why u were not folding
with 66

Hand 2 would have been fold for me. AQ is not so
hot with that kind of play. I suspected AK more.
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Old 11-03-2006, 08:27 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 hand1 is spewage a lot on stars imo, but you might get folds considering position+action.
hand2 is very good actually IMO. I dont think id fold a boat here, but the more i look at this the more i might just find a fold. I think an ordinary 200nl player needs an ungodly read to fold here.
hand3 is great for your table image. Shame you didnt get a river spade to buy the pot but i like what you are trying to acheive here. You'll stack this guy at some point when he cant fold his ace, top kicker.
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:09 AM #16 (permalink)  
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 hand 2 is seriously an easy fold with AQ. you are just praying he's got AK. it's still a good play.
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Old 11-03-2006, 03:46 PM #17 (permalink)  
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hand1 is spewage a lot on stars imo, but you might get folds considering position+action.
hand2 is very good actually IMO. I dont think id fold a boat here, but the more i look at this the more i might just find a fold. I think an ordinary 200nl player needs an ungodly read to fold here.
hand3 is great for your table image. Shame you didnt get a river spade to buy the pot but i like what you are trying to acheive here. You'll stack this guy at some point when he cant fold his ace, top kicker.
Yawn, I love how you waited to post until after you knew I was villain. Obviously it isn't spewage, because everyone who thought I was hero said they would fold. This is why I wanted posts before I said I was villain.

Nonetheless, I admit that if this is a regular line for you then it is trouble. I think my image is that I am pretty loosy goosy, but I only bet into deep streets if I'm really strong. I typically give up on the flop w/ air, but occasionally I run this line and I think its definitely +ev
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Old 11-03-2006, 03:52 PM #18 (permalink)  
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hand 2 is seriously an easy fold with AQ. you are just praying he's got AK. it's still a good play.
I don't know, I think its pretty tough depending on the read. Lets say we do put him on Ax, then is there a better amount to bet? My reasoning was that if he had an A and he was willing to call a pot bet, he will probably suck it up and call the stack. Maybe not, how much would you bet if you were 80% sure based on various reasons that he has AQ or lower.
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hand1 is spewage a lot on stars imo, but you might get folds considering position+action.
hand2 is very good actually IMO. I dont think id fold a boat here, but the more i look at this the more i might just find a fold. I think an ordinary 200nl player needs an ungodly read to fold here.
hand3 is great for your table image. Shame you didnt get a river spade to buy the pot but i like what you are trying to acheive here. You'll stack this guy at some point when he cant fold his ace, top kicker.
Yawn, I love how you waited to post until after you knew I was villain. Obviously it isn't spewage, because everyone who thought I was hero said they would fold. This is why I wanted posts before I said I was villain.

Nonetheless, I admit that if this is a regular line for you then it is trouble. I think my image is that I am pretty loosy goosy, but I only bet into deep streets if I'm really strong. I typically give up on the flop w/ air, but occasionally I run this line and I think its definitely +ev
sry, i tend to look at the OP and post my opinions then read down to what others said on your hand. You either had a monter or air in the hand you spoke of, i just liked what you were obviously doing against players who like their hands versus action too much.
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:10 PM #20 (permalink)  
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sry, i tend to look at the OP and post my opinions then read down to what others said on your hand. You either had a monter or air in the hand you spoke of, i just liked what you were obviously doing against players who like their hands versus action too much.
I hear ya, by the way, I posted this hand because I was iffy about it at first. But ultimately, I think you simply have to run bluffs like you do your monsters sometimes. This is almost exactly how I would play a really big hand and you've gotta run similar lines w/ your bluffs on rare occasions. By the way, I'm about to post another similar post, would love your input.
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